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Do we choose God or does God choose us?

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Just want to know some perspectives out there.

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I have given you my answer ! You will not understand it because you are spiritually dead !

#-o Cop out.

Bernee is engaging you in debate. You have made your arguments, he is challenging them, that is the nature of this board. Your reply above is a fine example of the oft used special plea - "You'll never be able to apply reason and logic to this bit of doctrine because a) it is beyond logic/reason b) you're spiritually incapable of doing so."

Basically, it's not a good argument.
To the believer, no proof is necessary; to the skeptic, no proof is enough.

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It is interesting that they seem sure when it comes to unseen evidence and hope they are the elect yet have no problem claiming someone else is spiritually dead.
So we need to quote Cohn again on the Christians inability to speech or understand language or meaning?

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If faith is what Christian believers have, and this faith is not based on the senses, then what do we call it when this faith is, as in my case, based on the 6th sence of telepathy.

Is it still faith or is there a new word that applies here?

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WelshBoy wrote:
I have given you my answer ! You will not understand it because you are spiritually dead !

#-o Cop out.

Bernee is engaging you in debate. You have made your arguments, he is challenging them, that is the nature of this board. Your reply above is a fine example of the oft used special plea - "You'll never be able to apply reason and logic to this bit of doctrine because a) it is beyond logic/reason b) you're spiritually incapable of doing so."

Basically, it's not a good argument.
Call it a cop out if you want, he nor you can understand spiritual truth.

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Greatest I Am wrote:If faith is what Christian believers have, and this faith is not based on the senses, then what do we call it when this faith is, as in my case, based on the 6th sence of telepathy.

Is it still faith or is there a new word that applies here?

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Believers are persuaded by the scriptures ! You on the other hand , telepathy is not from the scripture, it is your own delusion, so I would say by believing that you are a fool..

We have as believers have Gods testimony of truth in the bible, wether you accept that or not..

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beloved57 wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:If faith is what Christian believers have, and this faith is not based on the senses, then what do we call it when this faith is, as in my case, based on the 6th sence of telepathy.

Is it still faith or is there a new word that applies here?

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Believers are persuaded by the scriptures ! You on the other hand , telepathy is not from the scripture, it is your own delusion, so I would say by believing that you are a fool..

We have as believers have Gods testimony of truth in the bible, whether you accept that or not..
Since most of the Bible is based on the spirit speaking through the prophets, does that mean that many are fools?
What is telepathy if not a description of "in the spirit"?

Insanity aside.

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Cathar1950 wrote:It is interesting that they seem sure when it comes to unseen evidence and hope they are the elect yet have no problem claiming someone else is spiritually dead.
So we need to quote Cohn again on the Christians inability to speech or understand language or meaning?
We are all the elect.

We just don't know were to vote.

If we were not, this would show an inherent weakness in God's plan.
God, being omnipotemp, would not allow this.

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beloved57 wrote:Call it a cop out if you want, he nor you can understand spiritual truth.
How can you claim that you have truth and at the same time assert that it is not possible to understand it rationally?
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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The truth will make you free.
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great says
Since most of the Bible is based on the spirit speaking through the prophets, does that mean that many are fools?
Yes it does , since many have not the Spirit of God !

What is telepathy if not a description of "in the spirit"?
No doubt its a spirit, just not of God

We are all the elect.
Not according to the bible but maybe according to your boy cohen, he is not God though !
If we were not, this would show an inherent weakness in God's plan.
God, being omnipotemp, would not allow this.
Thats your blasphemous opinion in which you will give in account at the judgment..

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beloved57 wrote:great says
Since most of the Bible is based on the spirit speaking through the prophets, does that mean that many are fools?
Yes it does , since many have not the Spirit of God !
Other than your proclaiming how enlightened you are, how can you show me that you have 'the Spirit of God'?


What is telepathy if not a description of "in the spirit"?
No doubt its a spirit, just not of God
And how do you know that? How can YOU know for sure you have the spirit of god, yet you reject someone elses similar claims?

We are all the elect.
Not according to the bible but maybe according to your boy cohen, he is not God though !
It all depends on which phrase you look at, doesn't it? Great points to one set of passages, you point to others. How do you know his way is less valid than yours?

If we were not, this would show an inherent weakness in God's plan.
God, being omnipotemp, would not allow this.
Thats your blasphemous opinion in which you will give in account at the judgment..
And could it be that your opinion is the one that is blashphemous, not Greats?? Could it be that neither of yours is blashphous, or it could be that BOTH of yours is blasphemous. You disagree with him, yes. But your declaration that his view is blashphemous is not something you can prove.

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