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Are you more concerned about the actual virus?

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1) Are you more concerned about the actual coronavirus itself?

2) Or about panic buying disrupting the supply chain of basic groceries and the effect on the economy.

3) Should the President consider imposing rationing of basic necessities so that everyone can get enough?

4) Should the President encourage papermills and other sources in the chain to ramp up production and delivery?

5) With all the emphasis on testing, testing and more testing, have the authorities neglected the basics of life?

For the first time (as I was typing this) I heard President Trump advise against the hoarding of groceries. I wish he'd do more of that.
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Elijah John wrote: 1) Are you more concerned about the actual coronavirus itself?

2) Or about panic buying disrupting the supply chain of basic groceries and the effect on the economy.

3) Should the President consider imposing rationing of basic necessities so that everyone can get enough?

4) Should the President encourage papermills and other sources in the chain to ramp up production and delivery?

5) With all the emphasis on testing, testing and more testing, have the authorities neglected the basics of life?

For the first time (as I was typing this) I heard President Trump advise against the hoarding of groceries. I wish he'd do more of that.
In my view, the response to COVID19 is an overreaction. The flu has killed many more, across all age ranges, but yet this virus is receiving more attention than the flu. Perhaps because it is new and spreads quickly but still not as lethal as flu.

In my view, we should only be advising the elderly to stay indoors as much as possible and avoid close contact. That does not involve trying to stop the lives of everyone. Trying to restrict everyone the same way feeds the "hype". According to many experts, the majority of the people who get the virus will not even need hospitalization.

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For the first time (as I was typing this) I heard President Trump advise against the hoarding of groceries. I wish he'd do more of that.
Given that in late February he was still accusing the Democrats of using the virus as a "hoax" to damage his administration, it's astonishing he's doing anything at all. Add to that the fact that he disbanded the Pandemic Response Team in May 2018, his chance to do more has long since passed.

Thankfully my Governor and many others are taking the steps needed to attempt to control its spread. Look for Trump to take credit for that effort.


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Apparently, the virus itself leaves most healthy people with mild symptoms, or none at all. It seems to be the old and/or infirm who are most at risk. One doesn't want any premature deaths at all, of course, but I'm not too worried on my own behalf.

What is going to be tricky to manage is the economic hit, which occurs both on the supply and the demand side of the equation. For some years now, it has seemed to me that the modern world economy is run on a knife edge, in order to minimise costs on the supply side, what with just in time supplies, and on the demand side, most people carrying more unsecured debt, perhaps, than is prudent. So I've been prepping. I have three months food supply, and a further month of emergency dehydrated rations.

The thing that worries me most is how ill-prepared governments appear to be. If a comparatively mild virus can cause this amount of disruption, just imagine the impact of a virus deliberately engineered to cause maximum harm, as is imagined by the military in their 'NBC' (Nuclear, Biological and Chemical) warfare scenarios. I think we should, perhaps, be grateful for this wake-up call, and get some robust civil planning in place forthwith. There are nations and organisations and individuals that wish the Western world nothing but ill.

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Elijah John wrote: 1) Are you more concerned about the actual coronavirus itself?
Not overly concerned because I am well-isolated. But at 70 years old with COPD I would be concerned if I actually get it. Even then it won't be a guaranteed death sentence, but it sounds like it would raise that probable outcome to a very high level.
Elijah John wrote: 2) Or about panic buying disrupting the supply chain of basic groceries and the effect on the economy.
Yes, I'm far more worried about major panic causing some people to do terrible things. Not only disrupting the economy but possibly even to the point of robbing other people. I currently own a .22 rifle. Mainly for protection against rabid animals if required. But I'm seriously thinking of going out and buying a 44 magnum handgun for self protection. Not that I would want to have to shoot anyone, but having a cannon like a 44 magnum might produce a loud enough BOOM that maybe just shooting over their heads would convince them to run away and seek out an easier victim.
Elijah John wrote: 3) Should the President consider imposing rationing of basic necessities so that everyone can get enough?
This President has already lost all credibility. Retailers are already taking it upon themselves to start limiting how many products an individual can buy.
Elijah John wrote: 4) Should the President encourage papermills and other sources in the chain to ramp up production and delivery?
This President has already lost all credibility. No one is paying attention to what he has to say save for his base.

Besides, there is no shortage of these products. They are just disappearing from the store shelves, but still exist in warehouses. Also companies that make these products will naturally ramp up their production if the demand is there. No need for Trump to take credit for what would happen naturally anyway.
Elijah John wrote: 5) With all the emphasis on testing, testing and more testing, have the authorities neglected the basics of life?
The USA wasn't prepared for this in any case. Trump's administration only make that situation far worse.
Elijah John wrote: For the first time (as I was typing this) I heard President Trump advise against the hoarding of groceries. I wish he'd do more of that.
This President has already lost all credibility. The only people who pay attention to his rambling anymore is he base. And they would probably take his advice to not hoard groceries as a sign that this is exactly what they need to do.

I think the best thing that Trump could possibly do at this point is to just shut up and let the professionals take care of things. The only reason he goes to the podium is so he can pretend to take credit for everything good that happens while blaming the democratic for everything that goes wrong.

The best thing Trump can do is just go play golf. That's about all he's good for.
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Elijah John wrote: 1) Are you more concerned about the actual coronavirus itself?
I am not concerned about the virus at all but then again I might be selfish. I'm young, and I will most likely develop immunity to it. I'm not sure why the hek we're locking up our kids when most of them will experience little to no symptoms. It is the elderly population that should be isolated.

I wonder where is all the reaction about the flu which has killed many more than COVID19, and across different age ranges. In the US, thousands die from the flu virus annually.
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Elijah John wrote:
For the first time (as I was typing this) I heard President Trump advise against the hoarding of groceries. I wish he'd do more of that.
Given that in late February he was still accusing the Democrats of using the virus as a "hoax" to damage his administration, it's astonishing he's doing anything at all. Add to that the fact that he disbanded the Pandemic Response Team in May 2018, his chance to do more has long since passed.

Thankfully my Governor and many others are taking the steps needed to attempt to control its spread. Look for Trump to take credit for that effort.


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Do you want martial law, as well? In my view, some governors are Overreacting while the president has underreacted. Both are wrong. The overreaction, largely due to fear and hype from the media, will hurt the economy. It's like Hurricane evacuations which people rarely take seriously now because they know the media hypes it up a lot of times.

All we need to do is isolate and/or restrict the elderly and infirm. The rest of the population can survive and build immunity.

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Tcg wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
For the first time (as I was typing this) I heard President Trump advise against the hoarding of groceries. I wish he'd do more of that.
Given that in late February he was still accusing the Democrats of using the virus as a "hoax" to damage his administration, it's astonishing he's doing anything at all. Add to that the fact that he disbanded the Pandemic Response Team in May 2018, his chance to do more has long since passed.

Thankfully my Governor and many others are taking the steps needed to attempt to control its spread. Look for Trump to take credit for that effort.


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Do you want martial law, as well?
Please attempt to address what I have said rather than creating Straw Man arguments.
In my view, some governors are Overreacting while the president has underreacted.
What medical expertise is your view based on?
All we need to do is isolate and/or restrict the elderly and infirm. The rest of the population can survive and build immunity.
What medical expertise is this opinion based on?


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Tcg wrote: Please attempt to address what I have said rather than creating Straw Man arguments.
Some state officials are calling for locking down their citizens and putting curfews in place. This has been talked about in NYC.
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AgnosticBoy wrote: In my view, some governors are Overreacting while the president has underreacted.
What medical expertise is your view based on?
It's based on science and reason and even precedent. Look at how we deal with the common cold and flu, both viruses. We don't shut down the economy, but rather we isolate those who are at most risk. We spread this to each other annually and we build immunity. In the case of COVID19, the younger population have LITTLE to no symptoms, and certainly very little deaths. So why restrict them? Why not restrict the people who are most at risk, i.e. the elderly and infirm? It makes more sense to target ONLY the problem or those at most risk, rather than trying to restrict everyone.

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AgnosticBoy wrote:
Tcg wrote: Please attempt to address what I have said rather than creating Straw Man arguments.
Some state officials are calling for locking down their citizens and putting curfews in place. This has been talked about in NYC.
I'm not a state official nor have I recommended this. Your attempt to support your Straw Man has failed.
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AgnosticBoy wrote: In my view, some governors are Overreacting while the president has underreacted.
What medical expertise is your view based on?
It's based on science and reason and even precedent.
I didn't ask about either science in general or reason. I asked specifically about medical expertise. Have you any to present?

Precedent? The COVID-19 is a unique virus and therefore there is no previous experience on which to base this event.


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