A belief of the Jehovah Witnesses?

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:02 am

Garbe, Detlef (2008). Between Resistance and Martyrdom: Jehovah's Witnesses in the Third Reich. University of Wisconsin Press. pp. 37, 38. ISBN 0-299-20794-3.

" In their opinion, only people who have accepted Jehovah and subsequently submit to his requirements will survive Armageddon and enter into the New World ... Jehovah's Witnesses also believe that a person confessing to worship God has to be associated with the true Christian denomination. Since they claim to be the only true religious denomination, they also claim to have the only means for salvation."

Is this a belief that all Jehovah Witnesses hold?

tam · Post by **tam** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:36 pm

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:36 pm

tam wrote: Peace again to you,

JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 93 by tam]

If you go back and check you will see I already answered that post. Anything else?

JW

You responded to the post. You did not answer the questions.
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I most certainly did answer the questions. You might like to consider looking again just a suggestion (But I'm not going to make you do anything you do not wish to do). I supplied a clear explanation and walked you through with biblical references. I have read in the Grand Climax book and other magazines, and it is supported in the links I provided.

Incan only givs clear bible based answers to the questions asked, what you (or anyone else) does with that is up to you.

JW

tam · Post by **tam** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:55 pm

Peace to you,

JehovahsWitness wrote:
tam wrote: Peace again to you,

October 2019, Watchtower (study edition):

Read Matthew 28:19, 20. As we conduct Bible studies, we have to try our best to â€œmake disciples . . . , teaching them to observe all the things [Jesus has] commanded.â€� We need to help people understand how important it is for them to take their stand for Jehovah and his Kingdom. This means trying to motivate people to make the truth their own by applying what they learn, dedicating their life to Jehovah, and getting baptized. Only then will they survive Jehovahâ€™s day.â€‹â€”1 Pet. 3:21.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201 ... +day&p=par

Are you turning against the bible now?

IS IT UNSCRIPTURAL TO SAY BAPTISM SAVES?

What a strawman. Are you actually trying to suggest that "Jehovah's Day" is not referring to Armageddon by the WTS here?

Because from the EXACT SAME article:

Paul mentions â€œJehovahâ€™s day.â€� As used in this context, this refers to the time period that begins with the attack on â€œBabylon the Great,â€� the world empire of false religion, and ends with Armageddon.

Peace again to you and to anyone reading.

Edited to add:

You keep editing and adding to your above quoted post, but this does not change the fact that the entire thing is one big strawman.

Yahwehismywitness · Post by **Yahwehismywitness** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:59 pm

Let me ask a question JW:
1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus.

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:6

Jesus answered, â€œTruly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. John 3:5

And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. Acts 8:38

But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Acts 8:12

Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples. John 4:2

The Healing of Naaman 2 Kings 5:1-19

You say you follow Yahweh and Jesus how can you ignore so many witnesses?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:16 pm

Yahwehismywitness wrote: ...
1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus.

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:6

Jesus answered, â€œTruly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. John 3:5

And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. Acts 8:38

But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Acts 8:12

Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples. John 4:2

The Healing of Naaman 2 Kings 5:1-19

...

Thank you Yahwehismywitness you at least seem to understand the importance of baptism. It is surprising to see someone that claims to believe in our Lord undermine the teaching of baptism.

Thank you for the additional scriptural references.

Yahwehismywitness wrote:Let me ask a question JW: You say you follow Yahweh and Jesus how can you ignore so many witnesses?

That's just the point, we don't others do (or at least they seem to want to imply 1 Peter 3:21 is wrong and it doesnt save) .

JW

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:31 pm

[Replying to post 99 by tam]

Did I say that? Did I not explain clearly the Jehovahs Witness understanding of the role of baptism and salvation? My posts are detailed, scripture based and often explain a commentary literally line by line. I can do no more than my best.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 03#1003703

What you (or anyone else) does with that is up to you.

JW

Yahwehismywitness · Post by **Yahwehismywitness** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:38 pm

than you for the additional sscriptural references,

Your welcome have more if you require additional witnesses on water baptism importance. Who would not want to appeal to Yahweh for a good conscience?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:44 pm

Yahwehismywitness wrote:
thank you for the additional scriptural references,
Your welcome have more if you require additional witnesses on water baptism importance. Who would not want to appeal to Yahweh for a good conscience?

I think that will do for now, we dont want to flood the thread with scripture, not everyone likes that. Who would not want to appeal to Yahweh for a good conscience? I dont know! That's why I'm so surprised, I thought all Christians understood this is a good thing.

Thanks again,

JW

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:47 pm

Duplicate (sorry moderators)

tam · Post by **tam** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:16 pm

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 97 by JehovahsWitness]

Extrapolating the obeying God's word to teach people must be baptised, to robbing Him of his position as universal judge at ARMADEDDON is something no true christian would do. I'm surprised to find such an objection as this coming from a believer!

The teaching that one will survive Armageddon only when they are dedicated and baptized is a teaching of the WTS. So your words here would apply to them, not to me.

Read Matthew 28:19, 20. As we conduct Bible studies, we have to try our best to â€œmake disciples . . . , teaching them to observe all the things [Jesus has] commanded.â€� We need to help people understand how important it is for them to take their stand for Jehovah and his Kingdom. This means trying to motivate people to make the truth their own by applying what they learn, dedicating their life to Jehovah, and getting baptized. Only then will they survive Jehovahâ€™s day.â€‹â€”1 Pet. 3:21.

Same article explains that Jehovah's day includes Armageddon:

Paul mentions â€œJehovahâ€™s day.â€� As used in this context, this refers to the time period that begins with the attack on â€œBabylon the Great,â€� the world empire of false religion, and ends with Armageddon.

The WTS is the one saying these things.

This is not my teaching (or my Lord's teaching). I am not saying any of this. I do not believe any of this. This is what the WTS is saying.

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy