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How to get into the Kingdom of heaven?

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Matthew 5 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Assuming Jesus is speaking truthfully. How does anyone get into heaven?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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nd the dead in Christ shall rise first." (ch.4:15-16)
Where did Jesus say that? You found 3 verses that somewhat agree I can give you many more examples that don't agree with Jesus.

Be ye followers of me. my spirit, I am an apostle. He uses those singular terms a lot.
Paul in Romans 7 Claims The God of Sinai Is Dead
Do we treat Yahweh as a former God, and now we have a different God whose name is above the God of the Original Covenant at Sinai? Where does this come from?
Simply put, in Romans 7:1-7, Paul explains the Law of Moses is dissolved because it only had dominion over us while the husband who gave it lives, but now that He died, we are loosed from the husband-God who gave the Law. We are now free from the Law accomplished by Christ's death. After Christ died and rose from the dead, we are free to marry "another" -- another husband who has no Law of Moses extended to us any longer. Paul elsewhere speaks of Jesus as the husband of the church. Then when read with Romans 7, this means that we do not commit adultery marrying Jesus only because the old husband who gave the Law is dead. The advantage of our new husband is that He no longer has any Law to follow. So Paul says.

This is the terrible consequence of following Paul -- you are heading into a gross heresy to justify what God said is the mark of a false prophet -- one who "seduces you from following the Law." (Deut. 13:1-5). And as Isaiah says, one who speaks at odds with the Testimony (the 10 Commandments) "has no light at all." (Isaiah 8:20.)

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Yahwehismywitness wrote: A
nd the dead in Christ shall rise first." (ch.4:15-16)
Where did Jesus say that? You found 3 verses that somewhat agree I can give you many more examples that don't agree with Jesus.

Be ye followers of me. my spirit, I am an apostle. He uses those singular terms a lot.
Paul in Romans 7 Claims The God of Sinai Is Dead
Do we treat Yahweh as a former God, and now we have a different God whose name is above the God of the Original Covenant at Sinai? Where does this come from?
Simply put, in Romans 7:1-7, Paul explains the Law of Moses is dissolved because it only had dominion over us while the husband who gave it lives, but now that He died, we are loosed from the husband-God who gave the Law. We are now free from the Law accomplished by Christ's death. After Christ died and rose from the dead, we are free to marry "another" -- another husband who has no Law of Moses extended to us any longer. Paul elsewhere speaks of Jesus as the husband of the church. Then when read with Romans 7, this means that we do not commit adultery marrying Jesus only because the old husband who gave the Law is dead. The advantage of our new husband is that He no longer has any Law to follow. So Paul says.

This is the terrible consequence of following Paul -- you are heading into a gross heresy to justify what God said is the mark of a false prophet -- one who "seduces you from following the Law." (Deut. 13:1-5). And as Isaiah says, one who speaks at odds with the Testimony (the 10 Commandments) "has no light at all." (Isaiah 8:20.)
With respect, it seems to me you are making a mountain.hj

Paul in Ro,ans 7 does not say what you say he said or meant.

For example, these things:

"the old husband who gave the Law is dead. The advantage of our new husband is that He no longer has any Law to follow". "

"The God of Sinai is Dead".

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[Replying to post 41 by Checkpoint]

I agree. Paul didn't mean that the God of the OT was dead. Certainly not.

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