Catholics to speak in tongues?

[polonius]

As many are now aware an new movement is being introduced into the Catholic Church called the Catholic Alpha movement.

Among its unusual teachings is the gift of speaking in tongues which new members are encouraged to do.

For many of us, after being taught to speak Latin in Catholic high school, now do we have to learn another Catholic language? Fortunately this one only uses babble, not real words.

Have any readers acquired proficiency at speaking in tongues?

[Tcg]

Jesus was full of holy spirit and he is never spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language.

The fact that Jesus has not been spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language, is not evidence he never did so. I'm sure there are many things Jesus must have done that aren't recorded in the Bible.

The fact that they weren't recorded isn't evidence that they didn't happen.


Tcg

[Checkpoint]

Jesus was full of holy spirit and he is never spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language.

The fact that Jesus has not been spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language, is not evidence he never did so. I'm sure there are many things Jesus must have done that aren't recorded in the Bible.

The fact that they weren't recorded isn't evidence that they didn't happen.


Tcg

This discussion seems to me to be going nowhere fast.

Whether Jesus spoke in tongues or languages has nothing to do with anything, and does not provide or fail to provide evidence of anything.

[Red Wolf]

Why do different charismatic groups have different vowels and accents of glossolalia?

the worlds leading linguists have examined these claims and concluded that glossolalia is:“a meaningless but phonologically structured human utterance believed by the speaker to be a real language but bearing no systematic resemblance to any natural language, living or dead.�

“the [speakers] utterance mirrors that of the person who guided the glossolalist into the behavior. There is little variation of sound patterns within the group arising around a particular guide.�

The importance of the leader was well illustrated by the fact that the style of glossolalia adapted by the group bore a close resemblance to the way in which the leader spoke. . . . It is not uncommon for linguists to be able to tell which prominent [traveling] glossolalist has introduced a congregation to tongue-speaking�

If there is a real “language of angels,� why does every group have their own version? Do angels speak many different dialects? Why are these angelic languages so profoundly linked to the human speakers primary language or distinct historic stream? Why can linguists trace the glossolalic “accents� of the speakers to human guides if the only guide is the Holy Spirit? If all glossolalists spoke in a unique language, that was unknown and unrelated to any earthly language, and that language was inexplicably uniform in accent, intonation, etc, in every part of the world, that might have been indicative of some sort of angelic language. However, does not the fact that in each case glossolalia is composed of mixed sounds taken from the speakers native language better suit a natural explanation?

[Checkpoint]

Jesus was full of holy spirit and he is never spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language.

The fact that Jesus has not been spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language, is not evidence he never did so. I'm sure there are many things Jesus must have done that aren't recorded in the Bible.

The fact that they weren't recorded isn't evidence that they didn't happen.


Tcg

This discussion seems to me to be going nowhere fast.

Whether Jesus spoke in tongues or languages has nothing to do with anything much, and does not provide or fail to provide evidence of anything much.

[Tcg]

Jesus was full of holy spirit and he is never spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language.

The fact that Jesus has not been spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language, is not evidence he never did so. I'm sure there are many things Jesus must have done that aren't recorded in the Bible.

The fact that they weren't recorded isn't evidence that they didn't happen.


Tcg

This discussion seems to me to be going nowhere fast.

My addition to this discussion goes right to the very heart of this discussion. It is clear that the Bible doesn't record every action of Jesus, given that, the fact that it isn't recorded isn't evidence that it didn't happen.


Tcg

[Red Wolf]

One individual’s ecstatic speech was tape recorded and played back separately to many individuals who believed that they had the gift of interpreting tongues. Their interpretations were quite inconsistent.
How could speaking in tongues be a real literal glossa, or language, if the interpretations of that very same language are contradictory?
Jeff Wehr, “Speaking in Tongues,� Our Firm Foundation, Vol. 11, #11, 1996-NOV-11,

[Checkpoint]

Jesus was full of holy spirit and he is never spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language.

The fact that Jesus has not been spoken of as falling to the ground in convulsions, babbling in an foreign language, is not evidence he never did so. I'm sure there are many things Jesus must have done that aren't recorded in the Bible.

The fact that they weren't recorded isn't evidence that they didn't happen.


Tcg

This discussion seems to me to be going nowhere fast.

My addition to this discussion goes right to the very heart of this discussion. It is clear that the Bible doesn't record every action of Jesus, given that, the fact that it isn't recorded isn't evidence that it didn't happen.


Tcg

Yes, and that applies to any biography or autobiography, of anyone at all.

Anything not there is thus rumor or speculation, which is not evidence of anything, but simply old wives tales.

[brianbbs67]

Perspective

[Tcg]

Anything not there is thus rumor or speculation, which is not evidence of anything, but simply old wives tales.

As you'll recall, I didn't suggest any rumor, speculation, or old wives tale. I pointed out that the fact that Jesus was not recorded as speaking in tongues is not evidence of anything. That observation tells us nothing concerning speaking in tongues.

This in no way suggests that Jesus did speak in tongues. It emphasizes the fact that there being no record of Jesus speaking in tongues is not evidence that he didn't.


Tcg

[Checkpoint]

Anything not there is thus rumor or speculation, which is not evidence of anything, but simply old wives tales.

As you'll recall, I didn't suggest any rumor, speculation, or old wives tale. I pointed out that the fact that Jesus was not recorded as speaking in tongues is not evidence of anything. That observation tells us nothing concerning speaking in tongues.

This in no way suggests that Jesus did speak in tongues. It emphasizes the fact that there being no record of Jesus speaking in tongues is not evidence that he didn't.
Tcg

Yeah, pretty much.

So it is fair to say that what supplies no evidence either way is of no help and has no value.

Since we have no evidence, we can only speculate...