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What do JWs know?

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I just had two JWs come to my house. They said that they do not believe in the Trinity, yet they were quoting from a bible whose canon was produced by Athanasius in 367 A.D., the same guy who was the main proponent of the Trinity doctrine at Constantine's Council of Nicaea. They apparently did not know that Athanasius produced the canon they used, and that he proposed doctrine which is opposite of what they believe. Is this a one off, or is lack of historical context part of the JWs normal routine? They gave their quote of the day, Rev 21:4, without context, and didn't know that Rev 22:15 applied to the same Jerusalem, and that those "who practice lying" would not "enter". As soon as I told them, they turned and walked quickly away. The second time in around so many weeks, that JWs came, and quickly walked away when confronted with their inconsistencies.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:16 am
marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:09 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:21 pm
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2ndpillar2 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:55 pm I just had two JWs come to my house. They said that they do not believe in the Trinity, yet they were quoting from a bible whose canon was produced by Athanasius in 367 A.D...
It is interesting that the Bible doesn't support the idea of Trinity, it doesn't even have the word Trinity in it. So, if Athanasius supported the idea of Trinity, when he collected the scriptures, that he didn't make, it is weird why didn't he take anything that would support the idea.
Jesus is clearly revealed in the Bible as God incarnate.
No he is not. He is clearly revealed as the SON OF God.

John 10:36
John 20:17
John 5:19
John 12:49, 50
I Corinthians 11:3
I Corinthians 15:24, 28

These are just a handful of scriptures to show that Jesus is the SON of God. There are hundreds more. Will you look these up and then explain to me what they mean to you?
Jesus is both God and the Son of God, which is a fact that humans cannot fully understand because humans are not God and cannot see God in the flesh to understand that God is not like humans.
I asked you to read the verses I cited and tell me what each means to you. You did not answer my question. How can Jesus be God if he learned from the Father (God) and spoke what God told him to say?
Unlike humans, God exists in three entities, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

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marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:30 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:32 am
marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:09 am
Jesus is both God and the Son of God,
So why is he never recorded as saying the words " I am both God and the Son of God" ?
I suspect He did not want to say that.
So you admit there is no record of him saying such a thing! Would that not make your sentence human man made docrine not based on the actual words of Christ?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:33 pm
marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:30 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:32 am
marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:09 am
Jesus is both God and the Son of God,
So why is he never recorded as saying the words " I am both God and the Son of God" ?
I suspect He did not want to say that.
So you admit there is no record of him saying such a thing! Would that not make your sentence human man made docrine not based on the actual words of Christ?
I do not believe Jesus ever clearly told anyone on earth that He is God, but so what does that prove? He is still God.

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marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:32 pm I do not believe Jesus ever clearly told anyone on earth that He is God, but so what does that prove? ...
It proves the dogma that Jesus is Almighty God doesnt come from him.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:14 am
marke wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:32 pm I do not believe Jesus ever clearly told anyone on earth that He is God, but so what does that prove? ...
It proves the dogma that Jesus is Almighty God doesnt come from him.
No honest Christian can reasonably deny that Jesus is the Almighty of Revelation 1.

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marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:18 am No honest Christian can reasonably deny that Jesus is the Almighty of Revelation 1.
Is there any record of Jesus saying "I am Almighty God"?

If Jesus didnt say it why should any honest Christian belive he is?
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REVELATION 1:1

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him ...
Who gave Jesus tge Revelations?


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:22 am
marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:18 am No honest Christian can reasonably deny that Jesus is the Almighty of Revelation 1.
Is there any record of Jesus saying "I am Almighty God"?

If Jesus didnt say it why should any honest Christian belive he is?
The Bible is full of instructions and teachings that did not come from Jesus' mouth when He was on earth. All of God's Word is true.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:26 am
REVELATION 1:1

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him ...
Who gave Jesus tge Revelations?


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS
The Apostle John wrote as God inspired him to record The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

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marke wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:33 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:26 am
REVELATION 1:1

A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him ...
Who gave Jesus the Revelations?


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS
The Apostle John wrote as God inspired him to record The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Your answer isnt clear to me...Can you see the scripture from the bible in green? Can you name the one individual that gave the revelation to Jesus?
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