Every bible scholar on earth knows 100% that God put his name --( YHVH(Jehovah) = the tetragramoton) in his bible in over 7000 spots because God wants it there. Thus wicked men by satans will removed Gods name to mislead and replaced it in OT( nearly 6800 spots) with GOD or LORD all capitols--quoted in NT over 200 spots where God willed his name.
Now in light of Jesus, who at the Lords prayer has clearly shown to all that his Fathers name( YHVH(Jehovah) is the #1 most important thing, followed by his Fathers kingdom and will. Thus to a true follower Gods name is #1 most important issue.
So then one must ask why is my religion using altered translations in support of satans will over Gods will on the matter of his name belonging in his bible? Would you say to mislead is the answer? Yes it is.
Here is a prime example of the misleading that it does
Joel 2:21-22--Whoever calls on the name of YHVH(Jehovah) will be saved---quoted 2 x in the NT at Acts 2:21-22--Romans 10:13--But since satan willed translations have LORD at Joel, Lord is at both spots of NT, and all who know Jesus is Lord will call on his name in error because they are being mislead. God is not called LORD in the OT by his will, his name belongs there. it is causing major confusion.
The New world translation corrected that matter, yet every religion using the altered translations condemned the NWT. Why because with that name back in it exposes all of those ones using the altered translations as false religion.
The sad fact is that they know Gods name belongs in all of those spots. So what are you going to do about being mislead?
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Post #81So, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:40 amDidn't you see JW Post#77? Jesus is God. Uppercase G. You presume now that JW is not JW anymore?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:49 pmJW does not believe that Jesus is God. If JW did, they would not be a JW anymore. If you look at their post you will see that they said that Jesus is a god, not God Almighty, but one of many.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:34 amI believe you have the same faith with JW, and JW accepts that Jesus is God. Why you are not?onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:42 amYou are being blasphemous, unfortunately, by not attributing to the Father full Godhood and saying that God is a trinity. If He is not a trinity you are on slippery ground. I was baptized with the authority of the Father, which He also gave to Christ, and the Force of the Holy Spirit.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:53 amYes, I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Are you not?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:31 pmMaybe so. Aren't you doing just that?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 2:20 amIs baptism not a solemn rite you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:38 amThat doesn't show in any way that the three are equal. It just mentions three individual entities, and nothing about the relationship among the three except the Son, of course, would be subservient to his Father who gave him life. The Holy Spirit is just the Holy Spirit. It doesn't make it equal to any of the other two.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 7:34 am
The definite article (the) is used before a noun to indicate that the identity of the noun is known.
The union of these three names in the form of baptism proves that the Son and Holy Spirit are equal with the Father. Nothing would be more absurd or blasphemous than to unite the name of a man or a force with the name of the ever-living God in this solemn rite.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
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Would it be not more absurd or blasphemous than to unite the name of a man or a force with the name of the ever-living God in this solemn rite?
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
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Post #82The Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:40 amDidn't you see JW Post#77? Jesus is God. Uppercase G. You presume now that JW is not JW anymore?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:49 pmJW does not believe that Jesus is God. If JW did, they would not be a JW anymore. If you look at their post you will see that they said that Jesus is a god, not God Almighty, but one of many.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:34 amI believe you have the same faith with JW, and JW accepts that Jesus is God. Why you are not?onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:42 amYou are being blasphemous, unfortunately, by not attributing to the Father full Godhood and saying that God is a trinity. If He is not a trinity you are on slippery ground. I was baptized with the authority of the Father, which He also gave to Christ, and the Force of the Holy Spirit.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:53 amYes, I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Are you not?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:31 pmMaybe so. Aren't you doing just that?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2024 2:20 amIs baptism not a solemn rite you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:38 am
That doesn't show in any way that the three are equal. It just mentions three individual entities, and nothing about the relationship among the three except the Son, of course, would be subservient to his Father who gave him life. The Holy Spirit is just the Holy Spirit. It doesn't make it equal to any of the other two.
Would it be not more absurd or blasphemous than to unite the name of a man or a force with the name of the ever-living God in this solemn rite?
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
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Post #83If, the Father is God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:20 pmThe Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:40 amDidn't you see JW Post#77? Jesus is God. Uppercase G. You presume now that JW is not JW anymore?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:49 pmJW does not believe that Jesus is God. If JW did, they would not be a JW anymore. If you look at their post you will see that they said that Jesus is a god, not God Almighty, but one of many.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:34 amI believe you have the same faith with JW, and JW accepts that Jesus is God. Why you are not?onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:42 amYou are being blasphemous, unfortunately, by not attributing to the Father full Godhood and saying that God is a trinity. If He is not a trinity you are on slippery ground. I was baptized with the authority of the Father, which He also gave to Christ, and the Force of the Holy Spirit.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:53 amYes, I was baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Are you not?
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
and, Jesus is God. (per JW)
Not the same to you? Why? Do the 2 uppercase G different?
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Post #84There are not 2 uppercase "Gods" in John 1:1. The small "g" god is different than the "God" with an article before it. I tried to explain what JehovahsWitness meant, and you should go back and review their post where Jesus gets an upper case "G." I believe JW goes on to say that Jesus is a god.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:54 amIf, the Father is God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:20 pmThe Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:40 amDidn't you see JW Post#77? Jesus is God. Uppercase G. You presume now that JW is not JW anymore?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:49 pmJW does not believe that Jesus is God. If JW did, they would not be a JW anymore. If you look at their post you will see that they said that Jesus is a god, not God Almighty, but one of many.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:34 amI believe you have the same faith with JW, and JW accepts that Jesus is God. Why you are not?onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:42 amYou are being blasphemous, unfortunately, by not attributing to the Father full Godhood and saying that God is a trinity. If He is not a trinity you are on slippery ground. I was baptized with the authority of the Father, which He also gave to Christ, and the Force of the Holy Spirit.
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
and, Jesus is God. (per JW)
Not the same to you? Why? Do the 2 uppercase G different?
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Post #85Didn't you see JW's reply in his post #77?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:47 pmThere are not 2 uppercase "Gods" in John 1:1. The small "g" god is different than the "God" with an article before it. I tried to explain what JehovahsWitness meant, and you should go back and review their post where Jesus gets an upper case "G." I believe JW goes on to say that Jesus is a god.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:54 amIf, the Father is God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:20 pmThe Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:40 amDidn't you see JW Post#77? Jesus is God. Uppercase G. You presume now that JW is not JW anymore?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:49 pmJW does not believe that Jesus is God. If JW did, they would not be a JW anymore. If you look at their post you will see that they said that Jesus is a god, not God Almighty, but one of many.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:34 amI believe you have the same faith with JW, and JW accepts that Jesus is God. Why you are not?onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:42 amYou are being blasphemous, unfortunately, by not attributing to the Father full Godhood and saying that God is a trinity. If He is not a trinity you are on slippery ground. I was baptized with the authority of the Father, which He also gave to Christ, and the Force of the Holy Spirit.
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
and, Jesus is God. (per JW)
Not the same to you? Why? Do the 2 uppercase G different?
The "Jesus is God" there. Why insist otherwise.
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Post #86Because you refuse to read further and see where JW stated that Jesus is "a god."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:09 pmDidn't you see JW's reply in his post #77?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:47 pmThere are not 2 uppercase "Gods" in John 1:1. The small "g" god is different than the "God" with an article before it. I tried to explain what JehovahsWitness meant, and you should go back and review their post where Jesus gets an upper case "G." I believe JW goes on to say that Jesus is a god.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:54 amIf, the Father is God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:20 pmThe Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:40 amDidn't you see JW Post#77? Jesus is God. Uppercase G. You presume now that JW is not JW anymore?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:49 pmJW does not believe that Jesus is God. If JW did, they would not be a JW anymore. If you look at their post you will see that they said that Jesus is a god, not God Almighty, but one of many.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:34 amI believe you have the same faith with JW, and JW accepts that Jesus is God. Why you are not?onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:42 am
You are being blasphemous, unfortunately, by not attributing to the Father full Godhood and saying that God is a trinity. If He is not a trinity you are on slippery ground. I was baptized with the authority of the Father, which He also gave to Christ, and the Force of the Holy Spirit.
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
and, Jesus is God. (per JW)
Not the same to you? Why? Do the 2 uppercase G different?
The "Jesus is God" there. Why insist otherwise.
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Post #87Because that is my point. God and god is different.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:42 pmBecause you refuse to read further and see where JW stated that Jesus is "a god."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:09 pmDidn't you see JW's reply in his post #77?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:47 pmThere are not 2 uppercase "Gods" in John 1:1. The small "g" god is different than the "God" with an article before it. I tried to explain what JehovahsWitness meant, and you should go back and review their post where Jesus gets an upper case "G." I believe JW goes on to say that Jesus is a god.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:54 amIf, the Father is God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:20 pmThe Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:40 amDidn't you see JW Post#77? Jesus is God. Uppercase G. You presume now that JW is not JW anymore?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:49 pmJW does not believe that Jesus is God. If JW did, they would not be a JW anymore. If you look at their post you will see that they said that Jesus is a god, not God Almighty, but one of many.
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
and, Jesus is God. (per JW)
Not the same to you? Why? Do the 2 uppercase G different?
The "Jesus is God" there. Why insist otherwise.
Here in Col 2:8,9 lexicon defined Godhead as the state of being God. For in Jesus dwelleth the state of being God.
Do this does not prove that Jesus is God?
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
G2320 θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
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Post #88No, "godhead" is a term made up by translators that already believed that Jesus is God even before embarking on their translation project. It should be "godship" or "divine quality." "All the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." Jesus was a perfect reflection of God's being, having the fullness of the quality of God. It doesn't mean that Jesus is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:48 amBecause that is my point. God and god is different.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:42 pmBecause you refuse to read further and see where JW stated that Jesus is "a god."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:09 pmDidn't you see JW's reply in his post #77?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:47 pmThere are not 2 uppercase "Gods" in John 1:1. The small "g" god is different than the "God" with an article before it. I tried to explain what JehovahsWitness meant, and you should go back and review their post where Jesus gets an upper case "G." I believe JW goes on to say that Jesus is a god.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:54 amIf, the Father is God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:20 pmThe Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:40 amDidn't you see JW Post#77? Jesus is God. Uppercase G. You presume now that JW is not JW anymore?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:49 pm
JW does not believe that Jesus is God. If JW did, they would not be a JW anymore. If you look at their post you will see that they said that Jesus is a god, not God Almighty, but one of many.
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
and, Jesus is God. (per JW)
Not the same to you? Why? Do the 2 uppercase G different?
The "Jesus is God" there. Why insist otherwise.
Here in Col 2:8,9 lexicon defined Godhead as the state of being God. For in Jesus dwelleth the state of being God.
Do this does not prove that Jesus is God?
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
G2320 θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
NASB says: "For in him all the fullness of Diety dwells in bodily form." Not "Godhead." The New American Bible , the James Moffatt Translation, say the same thing. Not "Godhead," but "diety." The 21st Century New Testament uses "Godship" instead of "Godhead." Therefore stalls the idea of a trinity. The passage refers to Jesus being a reflection of his Father, God. No three-headed "Godhead."
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Post #89Original Greek construction of Col 2:9, you will see the word Godhead and its corresponding Greek word "theotes".onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:25 pmNo, "godhead" is a term made up by translators that already believed that Jesus is God even before embarking on their translation project. It should be "godship" or "divine quality." "All the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." Jesus was a perfect reflection of God's being, having the fullness of the quality of God. It doesn't mean that Jesus is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:48 amBecause that is my point. God and god is different.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:42 pmBecause you refuse to read further and see where JW stated that Jesus is "a god."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:09 pmDidn't you see JW's reply in his post #77?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:47 pmThere are not 2 uppercase "Gods" in John 1:1. The small "g" god is different than the "God" with an article before it. I tried to explain what JehovahsWitness meant, and you should go back and review their post where Jesus gets an upper case "G." I believe JW goes on to say that Jesus is a god.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:54 amIf, the Father is God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:20 pmThe Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pmThey do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
and, Jesus is God. (per JW)
Not the same to you? Why? Do the 2 uppercase G different?
The "Jesus is God" there. Why insist otherwise.
Here in Col 2:8,9 lexicon defined Godhead as the state of being God. For in Jesus dwelleth the state of being God.
Do this does not prove that Jesus is God?
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
G2320 θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
NASB says: "For in him all the fullness of Diety dwells in bodily form." Not "Godhead." The New American Bible , the James Moffatt Translation, say the same thing. Not "Godhead," but "diety." The 21st Century New Testament uses "Godship" instead of "Godhead." Therefore stalls the idea of a trinity. The passage refers to Jesus being a reflection of his Father, God. No three-headed "Godhead."
And theotes defined by lexicon as the state of being God.
It is not a term made up by translators and your explanations are all wrong.
Col 2:9 For G3754 in G1722 him G846 dwelleth G2730 all G3956 the G3588 fulness G4138 of the G3588 Godhead G2320 bodily. G4985
Col 2:9 οτι G3754 CONJ εν G1722 PREP αυτω G846 P-DSM κατοικει G2730 V-PAI-3S παν G3956 A-NSN το G3588 T-NSN πληρωμα G4138 N-NSN της G3588 T-GSF θεοτητος G2320 N-GSF σωματικως G4985 ADV
Col 2:9 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς,
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Post #90Not at all. Your sources are wrong. I have shown you that other translators do not render that Greek word as "Godhead," but godship or "divine authority." Jesus is not God but reflects the authority and characteristics of his Father so that he can be said to be the "fullness" of his Father's Godship.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:13 amOriginal Greek construction of Col 2:9, you will see the word Godhead and its corresponding Greek word "theotes".onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:25 pmNo, "godhead" is a term made up by translators that already believed that Jesus is God even before embarking on their translation project. It should be "godship" or "divine quality." "All the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." Jesus was a perfect reflection of God's being, having the fullness of the quality of God. It doesn't mean that Jesus is God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:48 amBecause that is my point. God and god is different.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:42 pmBecause you refuse to read further and see where JW stated that Jesus is "a god."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:09 pmDidn't you see JW's reply in his post #77?onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:47 pmThere are not 2 uppercase "Gods" in John 1:1. The small "g" god is different than the "God" with an article before it. I tried to explain what JehovahsWitness meant, and you should go back and review their post where Jesus gets an upper case "G." I believe JW goes on to say that Jesus is a god.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:54 amIf, the Father is God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:20 pmThe Father in uppercase "G" is not "a god." He is the only one. That is why He has an article before "God."Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:19 amSo, God the Father in uppercase "G" could also mean "god" to you?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:35 pm
They do not believe that Jesus is God Almighty. Don't you see what they meant? Jesus is a god like many other honored and revered persons in high positions. The uppercase "G" doesn't mean anything in their post.
See again post #77, "Jesus is God", uppercase G. Yes, I know they don't believe that Jesus is the Almighty.
But that is a very opposite to your declaration that "JW does not believe that Jesus is God".
and, Jesus is God. (per JW)
Not the same to you? Why? Do the 2 uppercase G different?
The "Jesus is God" there. Why insist otherwise.
Here in Col 2:8,9 lexicon defined Godhead as the state of being God. For in Jesus dwelleth the state of being God.
Do this does not prove that Jesus is God?
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
G2320 θεότης theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
NASB says: "For in him all the fullness of Diety dwells in bodily form." Not "Godhead." The New American Bible , the James Moffatt Translation, say the same thing. Not "Godhead," but "diety." The 21st Century New Testament uses "Godship" instead of "Godhead." Therefore stalls the idea of a trinity. The passage refers to Jesus being a reflection of his Father, God. No three-headed "Godhead."
And theotes defined by lexicon as the state of being God.
It is not a term made up by translators and your explanations are all wrong.
Col 2:9 For G3754 in G1722 him G846 dwelleth G2730 all G3956 the G3588 fulness G4138 of the G3588 Godhead G2320 bodily. G4985
Col 2:9 οτι G3754 CONJ εν G1722 PREP αυτω G846 P-DSM κατοικει G2730 V-PAI-3S παν G3956 A-NSN το G3588 T-NSN πληρωμα G4138 N-NSN της G3588 T-GSF θεοτητος G2320 N-GSF σωματικως G4985 ADV
Col 2:9 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς,