JW's claim of Kingdom of God establish in 1914?

[Revelations won]

What was the date of this claim of the Kingdom of God restored in 1914?

What did God do to set up the Kingdom of Heaven?

Is there any record of what he said to accomplish this great event?

Did the JW's originally claim that Christ would come on the date they claimed?

Let us hear your clear answers to the above questions.

Kind regards,
RW

[JehovahsWitness]

JW's believed JW's would witness God's kingdom on earth in their lifetime by 1914.

In 1995, eighty-one years later, the Kingdom Hall faithful quietly abandoned that key tenet of their faith.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

Well if they did they weren't faithful were they. No key tenet of anybody's faith should be when they receive their reward.

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LAST DAYS and ...FALSE EXPECTATIONS and ....1914

[onewithhim]

JW's believed JW's would witness God's kingdom on earth in their lifetime by 1914.

In 1995, eighty-one years later, the Kingdom Hall faithful quietly abandoned that key tenet of their faith.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

No we did not. We understood that Christ took over the ruling of God's Kingdom from heaven over the earth, and this can be seen by the fulfillment of the prophecy that "nation would rise against nation," when WWI broke out---unprecedented warfare (Matthew 24:3,7-14). JWs thought they would go to heaven in that year, but then realized that what was said at Luke 21:24 had been fulfilled....the times of the Gentiles would be over. Now God would once again interfere with the world's affairs, and it started with Christ taking his throne in heaven. Now Psalm 110:1,2 would be fulfilled. Jesus would get to work, in the midst of his enemies. He now is guiding the world preaching work which has to be fulfilled before the end. (Matthew 24:14)

So no, we have not abandoned that tenet. We just realize that Jesus won't come physically to the earth. How could he, as glorious as he now is? He lives in "unapproachable light, which men have not seen nor can see." (I Timothy 6:16) Would he concede to becoming a human again to rule ON the earth? He GAVE UP his human body when he died for our sins. So his return will be for him remaining in the spirit realm, and ruling over the earth from heaven.

[Avoice]

[Replying to Abigail in post #80]
They had no choice but to abandon it. It came and went. The smart JW's left their church/ kingdom hall. The rest stayed left holding the bag. By that I mean having to explain away the claim that was never fulfilled. Of course it is now explained as his kingdom that we can't see. If course. It's always something people can't see.

[Avoice]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #78]

If I show you where it says there will be sacrifices in the temple in the end times will that mean anything to you?

Quite frankly people ask me for proof about things and when I show them they still uphold what has been disproved.

I'll show you where it says that. After I do let me know what you now think

[Avoice]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #78]

THE FOLLOWING PASSAGES ARE FROM EZEKIEL

(UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORD "MESSIAH" IS A TERM WE ALL USE TODAY TO MEAN "THE ONE WE ARE WAITING FOR" HE WILL BE A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF DAVID WHICH IS WHY HE IS REFERRED TO THIS WAY. SEE BELOW)

"And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince FOR EVER. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."


NOW...CONCERNING THE SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM. THE CHRISTIAN TESTAMENT CLAIMS JESUS WAS THE FINAL SACRIFICE. REALLY? KEEP READING EZEKIEL. YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE END TIMES AND WHAT THE MESSIAH WILL BE DOING? HE WILL BE OFFERING SACRIFICES IN THE SANCTUARY! HE WILL??? YES, HE WILL.

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


Thus saith the Lord God; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons. And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the Lord in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

NOTICE HOW THE SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM WILL BE REINSTATED. THAT THE PRINCE (MESSIAH) WILL BE OFFERING SACRIFICES. HEY...if Jesus was the final sacrifice then why would he (Jesus) be making sacrifices. The church teaches he was the final sacrifice. There will be a final temple. Read Ezekiel.

Now that you know this...now what? Uphold the truth. That's the key to everything.

[otseng]

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #78]

If I show you where it says there will be sacrifices in the temple in the end times will that mean anything to you?

Quite frankly people ask me for proof about things and when I show them they still uphold what has been disproved.

I'll show you where it says that. After I do let me know what you now think

Yes, please.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #78]

THE FOLLOWING PASSAGES ARE FROM EZEKIEL

(UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORD "MESSIAH" IS A TERM WE ALL USE TODAY TO MEAN "THE ONE WE ARE WAITING FOR" HE WILL BE A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF DAVID WHICH IS WHY HE IS REFERRED TO THIS WAY. SEE BELOW)

"And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince FOR EVER. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."


NOW...CONCERNING THE SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM. THE CHRISTIAN TESTAMENT CLAIMS JESUS WAS THE FINAL SACRIFICE. REALLY? KEEP READING EZEKIEL. YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE END TIMES AND WHAT THE MESSIAH WILL BE DOING? HE WILL BE OFFERING SACRIFICES IN THE SANCTUARY! HE WILL??? YES, HE WILL.

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


Thus saith the Lord God; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

And the prince shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate without, and shall stand by the post of the gate, and the priests shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate: then he shall go forth; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons. And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the Lord in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

NOTICE HOW THE SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM WILL BE REINSTATED. THAT THE PRINCE (MESSIAH) WILL BE OFFERING SACRIFICES. HEY...if Jesus was the final sacrifice then why would he (Jesus) be making sacrifices. The church teaches he was the final sacrifice. There will be a final temple. Read Ezekiel.

Now that you know this...now what? Uphold the truth. That's the key to everything.

You fail to realize that the physical nation of Israel fell out of favor with God because they did not keep their part of the covenant and kept worshipping other gods and treating the people harshly. Peter said very clearly that the NEW nation of Israel was a SPIRITUAL nation, and Paul said that whoever followed Christ was a child of Abraham. (I Peter 2: 9,10; Galatians 3: 28,29) We must now read Ezekiel with that in mind. The "sanctuary" is in heaven and it will spiritually be in the midst of Jehovah's people forever. The Christ presented his final sacrifice to Jehovah within the spiritual temple when he first went back to heaven after his resurrection. (Hebrews 9:11,12) Animal sacrifices are no longer necessary. Why would they be? The animal sacrifices were a preview of what the Messiah would accomplish. What you quoted above is mostly symbolic, and we are studying it now as a congregation. You should ask one of JWs for a copy of "Pure Worship of Jehovah Restored At Last!" It explains the very deep meaning of Ezekiel. Are you open to the deep meaning?

[Avoice]

Peter said? What gives him any authority?

That's the problem. You read the Hebrew Scriptures with a different lens. Through the Christian Testament.

Since you read the Hebrew Scriptures through the lens of the New Testament do you read the Christian Testament through the lens of the Mormon Church bible? If not, why not? It claims to be a continuation of Christianity.

I await your answer

[Avoice]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #88]

Are you following Christ? He was a practicing Jew. You reject his religion do you not?
Passover is coming. Will you be keeping it as God commanded? Jesus would have because he was a Jew.

It seems to me you are following Peter and Pauls instructions rather than God's instructions. Jesus didn't obey Peter and Paul so why do you regard them?