The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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When Jesus began His ministry he quoted from the Book of Isaiah: 
Luke 4 
16And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written, 
18“THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, 
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. 
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, 
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, 
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, 
19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.� 
20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.�

Jesus clearly stated His purpose. The purpose for which He was anointed. The purpose for which He is the Christ (Christ means "anointed one" for those who are unaware): 
1) To preach His gospel - These are the words He spoke while preaching His gospel during His ministry. 
2) To give sight to the blind - To open the eyes of those blind to the will of God which is contained in His gospel. 
3) To set free the captives - To FREE those who abide in His word from the slavery of committing sin. To FREE those who abide in His gospel (See John 8). 

That's it in a nutshell. During His ministry, Jesus did exactly what He said He was going to do. This is the gospel preached by Jesus. 

There is no "total depravity of man" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. 
There is no "vicarious atonement for the forgiveness of sins" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. 
There is no "if you believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Christ you will receive eternal life and live in the Kingdom" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. 
There is no "imputed righteousness" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.

Christianity has a different gospel based on the theology of Paul and others as its foundation.
Shouldn't Christianity have the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry as its foundation?

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Re: The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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WeSee wrote:
Eloi wrote: [Replying to WeSee]

You really mean: forget about every other thing the Bible says and aisolate this two expressions Jesus said, and interpret them as I do, or you are not Christians as Paul was not.

I answer to that: NO. We won't aisolate those two expressions of Jesus and we will not interpret them the way you do. We won't deprecate what 14 books of the Bible say because you think they are not divinely inspired, and we can not consider Paul as a deviated person from Jesus' teachings.
You really mean: forget about every other thing the Bible says and aisolate this two expressions Jesus said, and interpret them as I do, or you are not Christians as Paul was not.
I've written nothing of the kind. You've created a straw man. If you believe that this is not true, then quote where I said that or anything of the kind.
Really? In the OP you said:
Christianity has a different gospel based on the theology of Paul and others as its foundation.
I got the impression you just called Paul a non-Christian in the OP. If I agree with Paul than what else am I to feel but that I'm going to be penalized for agreeing with Paul?
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2timothy316 wrote: [Replying to post 58 by WeSee]

So you're not going to answer my question: Do you know of someone that is sin free or has no sin in them? So as to give an example of your own point.
Of what importance is an example when one has the words spoken by Jesus while He preached His ministry?

Either you believe that Jesus spoke the truth or you don't. I for one believe Him.

John 5
38“You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent. 39“You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
45“Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. 46“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. 47“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?�

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[Replying to post 54 by WeSee]

Here too. You are accusing JW of not believing Jesus (not being a Christian) just because he is not interpreting those two expressions of Jesus you are aisolating, the way you do.

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Re: The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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2timothy316 wrote:
WeSee wrote:
Eloi wrote: [Replying to WeSee]

You really mean: forget about every other thing the Bible says and aisolate this two expressions Jesus said, and interpret them as I do, or you are not Christians as Paul was not.

I answer to that: NO. We won't aisolate those two expressions of Jesus and we will not interpret them the way you do. We won't deprecate what 14 books of the Bible say because you think they are not divinely inspired, and we can not consider Paul as a deviated person from Jesus' teachings.
You really mean: forget about every other thing the Bible says and aisolate this two expressions Jesus said, and interpret them as I do, or you are not Christians as Paul was not.
I've written nothing of the kind. You've created a straw man. If you believe that this is not true, then quote where I said that or anything of the kind.
Really? In the OP you said:
Christianity has a different gospel based on the theology of Paul and others as its foundation.
I got the impression you just called Paul a non-Christian in the OP. If I agree with Paul than what else am I to feel but that I'm going to be penalized for agreeing with Paul?
I got the impression you just called Paul a non-Christian in the OP.
How does it make sense to infer that from the sentence that you quoted?

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Re: The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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WeSee wrote:

That's how parables (figurative language) work. Do you NOT believe that Jesus spoke in parables?

A parable is a fictional story, are you suggesting the following are fictional stories?
MATTHEW 20:28

Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many.�


MATTHEW 26:28
for this is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of many. NLT

MARK 14:24
He said to them, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

LUKE 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. NIV
Without removing and replacing Jesus words with your own, it is clear Jesus is not refering in these passages to speaking to people but of dying for them as a sacrifice for their sins.



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[Replying to post 62 by WeSee]

The importance of the example what does a sinless person act like. I've never met one so I'd like to examine such a person.

Just a simple yes or no will do. Can you direct us to an example of a sin free person?

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Re: The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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WeSee wrote:
2timothy316 wrote:
WeSee wrote:
Eloi wrote: [Replying to WeSee]

You really mean: forget about every other thing the Bible says and aisolate this two expressions Jesus said, and interpret them as I do, or you are not Christians as Paul was not.

I answer to that: NO. We won't aisolate those two expressions of Jesus and we will not interpret them the way you do. We won't deprecate what 14 books of the Bible say because you think they are not divinely inspired, and we can not consider Paul as a deviated person from Jesus' teachings.
You really mean: forget about every other thing the Bible says and aisolate this two expressions Jesus said, and interpret them as I do, or you are not Christians as Paul was not.
I've written nothing of the kind. You've created a straw man. If you believe that this is not true, then quote where I said that or anything of the kind.
Really? In the OP you said:
Christianity has a different gospel based on the theology of Paul and others as its foundation.
I got the impression you just called Paul a non-Christian in the OP. If I agree with Paul than what else am I to feel but that I'm going to be penalized for agreeing with Paul?
I got the impression you just called Paul a non-Christian in the OP.
How does it make sense to infer that from the sentence that you quoted?
If Paul has a different gospel than Christianity than what is Paul teaching?

Here is another yes or no question for you. (Maybe you'll answer this one) Does Paul teach Christian teachings?

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Re: The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
WeSee wrote:

That's how parables (figurative language) work. Do you NOT believe that Jesus spoke in parables?

A parable is a fictional story, are you suggesting
MATTHEW 20:28

Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his life as a ransom in exchange for many.�


MATTHEW 26:28
for this is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of many. NLT

MARK 14:24
He said to them, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

LUKE 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. NIV
Are fictional stories? Without removing and replacing Jesus words with your own, it is clear Jesus is not refering in these passages to speaking to people but of dying for them as a sacrifice for their sins.



JW
You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "parable". It can simply refer to using figurative language.

Here's an example from the Bible:
Luke 6
39And He also spoke a parable to them: “A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?

No story. But very much a parable.
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Re: The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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2timothy316 wrote:
WeSee wrote:
2timothy316 wrote:
WeSee wrote:
Eloi wrote: [Replying to WeSee]

You really mean: forget about every other thing the Bible says and aisolate this two expressions Jesus said, and interpret them as I do, or you are not Christians as Paul was not.

I answer to that: NO. We won't aisolate those two expressions of Jesus and we will not interpret them the way you do. We won't deprecate what 14 books of the Bible say because you think they are not divinely inspired, and we can not consider Paul as a deviated person from Jesus' teachings.
You really mean: forget about every other thing the Bible says and aisolate this two expressions Jesus said, and interpret them as I do, or you are not Christians as Paul was not.
I've written nothing of the kind. You've created a straw man. If you believe that this is not true, then quote where I said that or anything of the kind.
Really? In the OP you said:
Christianity has a different gospel based on the theology of Paul and others as its foundation.
I got the impression you just called Paul a non-Christian in the OP. If I agree with Paul than what else am I to feel but that I'm going to be penalized for agreeing with Paul?
I got the impression you just called Paul a non-Christian in the OP.
How does it make sense to infer that from the sentence that you quoted?
If Paul has a different gospel than Christianity than what is Paul teaching?

Here is another yes or no question for you. (Maybe you'll answer this one) Does Paul teach Christian teachings?

Think about the following from the first post:
Christianity has a different gospel based on the theology of Paul and others as its foundation.
Shouldn't Christianity have the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry as its foundation?
HINT: Christianity does not have have the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry as its foundation.

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Re: The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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[Replying to post 69 by WeSee]

I don't know what you are calling "christianity". Do you mean all people who consider himself a Christian? All religions that say they are Christians?

Do you consider yourself a Christian in any way? Or you are just looking for "inconsistencies" on other's Christian believers?

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