THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

[Eddie Ramos]

It's interesting that this is another widely held doctrine by Christians, yet no one has ever put forth an actual age from the scriptures where children are not accountable for their sins. The fact is that when God looks at a human being, he looks at their heart and sees either righteousness or unrighteousness. If righteousness, then that means that Christ's atoning work has been applied to your life. At which point he has given that person a new and perfect heart that is free from sin, and has raised their dead soul to eternal life. If God sees unrighteousness in their heart, then it means that Christ's atoning work has not (or not yet) been applied to that individual and that individual is still in his or her sins. This applies from the moment of conception.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV 1900)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me.

Can something conceived in sin be pure and clean in the eyes of God? The Bible says, no.

Job 14:4 (KJV 1900)
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

So, how does God view a child conceived and still unsaved? The same way he views a grown up who is still unsaved, as wicked.

Psalm 58:3 (KJV 1900)
The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Most will say, "babies can't speak, so this can't be referring to babies". Yet this is parabolic language (as is the whole Bible) which is speaking of the spiritual condition (as viewed by God) of mankind who was yet in his sins.

When the Bible as a whole is taken into acount, it absolutely contradicts and therefore rejects such doctrine of any age of accountability. But why then was it invented? Because it was build upon another false doctrine, the free will doctrine which states that a person must make an informed choice if he is going to accept Christ. And since babies can't do that, they had to find a way to make them exempt. But this goes to show what happpens when someone tries to build upon a crooked foundation, everything else they build on that foundation will also be crooked.

My question for anyone who hold to this doctrine is, can you show me how the scriptures you use to support such doctrine agree witht he above Bible verses provided? Because if we isolate passages from the Bible as a whole, then we can make them say anything we want.

[myth-one.com]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Have you seen my post that explains that no child who cannot reason will be destroyed? What do you say about that? A child would have to be able to reason as to what is right and what is wrong. Do you dismiss that?

(All children who have died will be resurrected. Jehovah is a merciful God, and that would match His attributes.)

I've always said the same thing. I detailed the fate of all mankind (believers and nonbelievers) as described in the Bible in Post #41.

But being resurrected does not necessarily mean the children will be saved. They must still individually choose everlasting life or everlasting death by accepting or rejecting Jesus as their Savior after being resurrected as humans in the second resurrection.

[onewithhim]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Have you seen my post that explains that no child who cannot reason will be destroyed? What do you say about that? A child would have to be able to reason as to what is right and what is wrong. Do you dismiss that?

(All children who have died will be resurrected. Jehovah is a merciful God, and that would match His attributes.)

I've always said the same thing. I detailed the fate of all mankind (believers and nonbelievers) as described in the Bible in Post #41.

But being resurrected does not necessarily mean the children will be saved. They must still individually choose everlasting life or everlasting death by accepting or rejecting Jesus as their Savior after being resurrected as humans in the second resurrection.

Isn't that basically what I said?

[myth-one.com]

Isn't that basically what I said?

I hope so!

[2timothy316]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Its not about doubting it's about not knowing and not assuming that I know all of Jehovah's decisions. I don't doubt He can resurrect, I cannot know He will resurrect. I can only guess and a guess is not truth. The 12 year old 'Bad as the Devil Johnny' as one put it, might not get a resurrection. When a person is held accountable isn't really for any human to say. We can only judge by what we see on the outside. Jehovah can judge based on the heart of a person. I'm not going to assume I know the heart of every child and say they will or will not be saved at Armageddon or resurrected in the New World. it is simply not in my power to know with 100% accuracy the heart of a child.

[myth-one.com]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Its not about doubting it's about not knowing and not assuming that I know all of Jehovah's decisions. I don't doubt He can resurrect, I cannot know He will resurrect. I can only guess and a guess is not truth. The 12 year old 'Bad as the Devil Johnny' as one put it, might not get a resurrection. When a person is held accountable isn't really for any human to say. We can only judge by what we see on the outside. Jehovah can judge based on the heart of a person. I'm not going to assume I know the heart of every child and say they will or will not be saved at Armageddon or resurrected in the New World. it is simply not in my power to know with 100% accuracy the heart of a child.

For those who read the scriptures, it is an absolute certainty that ever human who was ever born and died will be resurrected!

I think you are confusing resurrection with gaining everlasting life.

While everyone who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Only some will be resurrected unto everlasting life:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)

Those not resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life, will be resurrected as humans and face judgment.

[onewithhim]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Its not about doubting it's about not knowing and not assuming that I know all of Jehovah's decisions. I don't doubt He can resurrect, I cannot know He will resurrect. I can only guess and a guess is not truth. The 12 year old 'Bad as the Devil Johnny' as one put it, might not get a resurrection. When a person is held accountable isn't really for any human to say. We can only judge by what we see on the outside. Jehovah can judge based on the heart of a person. I'm not going to assume I know the heart of every child and say they will or will not be saved at Armageddon or resurrected in the New World. it is simply not in my power to know with 100% accuracy the heart of a child.

For those who read the scriptures, it is an absolute certainty that ever human who was ever born and died will be resurrected!

I think you are confusing resurrection with gaining everlasting life.

While everyone who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Only some will be resurrected unto everlasting life:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)

Those not resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life, will be resurrected as humans and face judgment.

I agree that most people who ever lived will be resurrected, unless killed at Armageddon. The people resurrected will be resurrected to life in the material bodies that they had before they died, only with no maladies or deformities or old skin.

"Let his flesh become fresher than in youth; Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor." (Job 33:25) This is what all of the resurrected people can look forward to, as well as those who don't die but go straight into the new system of things, after Armageddon.

[myth-one.com]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Its not about doubting it's about not knowing and not assuming that I know all of Jehovah's decisions. I don't doubt He can resurrect, I cannot know He will resurrect. I can only guess and a guess is not truth. The 12 year old 'Bad as the Devil Johnny' as one put it, might not get a resurrection. When a person is held accountable isn't really for any human to say. We can only judge by what we see on the outside. Jehovah can judge based on the heart of a person. I'm not going to assume I know the heart of every child and say they will or will not be saved at Armageddon or resurrected in the New World. it is simply not in my power to know with 100% accuracy the heart of a child.

For those who read the scriptures, it is an absolute certainty that ever human who was ever born and died will be resurrected!

I think you are confusing resurrection with gaining everlasting life.

While everyone who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Only some will be resurrected unto everlasting life:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)

Those not resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life, will be resurrected as humans and face judgment.

I agree that most people who ever lived will be resurrected, unless killed at Armageddon. The people resurrected will be resurrected to life in the material bodies that they had before they died, only with no maladies or deformities or old skin.

"Let his flesh become fresher than in youth; Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor." (Job 33:25) This is what all of the resurrected people can look forward to, as well as those who don't die but go straight into the new system of things, after Armageddon.

No, all people who ever died shall be resurrected -- not most!

No, all will not be resurrected with material bodies. Believers will be resurrected with everlasting spiritual bodies, and nonbelievers will be resurrected with material bodies.

[2timothy316]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Its not about doubting it's about not knowing and not assuming that I know all of Jehovah's decisions. I don't doubt He can resurrect, I cannot know He will resurrect. I can only guess and a guess is not truth. The 12 year old 'Bad as the Devil Johnny' as one put it, might not get a resurrection. When a person is held accountable isn't really for any human to say. We can only judge by what we see on the outside. Jehovah can judge based on the heart of a person. I'm not going to assume I know the heart of every child and say they will or will not be saved at Armageddon or resurrected in the New World. it is simply not in my power to know with 100% accuracy the heart of a child.

For those who read the scriptures, it is an absolute certainty that ever human who was ever born and died will be resurrected!

I think you are confusing resurrection with gaining everlasting life.

While everyone who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Only some will be resurrected unto everlasting life:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)

Those not resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life, will be resurrected as humans and face judgment.

Here goes the tangent stuff again. Perhaps a new thread?

[myth-one.com]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Its not about doubting it's about not knowing and not assuming that I know all of Jehovah's decisions. I don't doubt He can resurrect, I cannot know He will resurrect. I can only guess and a guess is not truth. The 12 year old 'Bad as the Devil Johnny' as one put it, might not get a resurrection. When a person is held accountable isn't really for any human to say. We can only judge by what we see on the outside. Jehovah can judge based on the heart of a person. I'm not going to assume I know the heart of every child and say they will or will not be saved at Armageddon or resurrected in the New World. it is simply not in my power to know with 100% accuracy the heart of a child.

For those who read the scriptures, it is an absolute certainty that ever human who was ever born and died will be resurrected!

I think you are confusing resurrection with gaining everlasting life.

While everyone who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Only some will be resurrected unto everlasting life:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)

Those not resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life, will be resurrected as humans and face judgment.

Here goes the tangent stuff again. Perhaps a new thread?

Dodge, dodge, dodge. I think that was a sign not a tangent.

How was the length?

[2timothy316]

Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.

Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

Its not about doubting it's about not knowing and not assuming that I know all of Jehovah's decisions. I don't doubt He can resurrect, I cannot know He will resurrect. I can only guess and a guess is not truth. The 12 year old 'Bad as the Devil Johnny' as one put it, might not get a resurrection. When a person is held accountable isn't really for any human to say. We can only judge by what we see on the outside. Jehovah can judge based on the heart of a person. I'm not going to assume I know the heart of every child and say they will or will not be saved at Armageddon or resurrected in the New World. it is simply not in my power to know with 100% accuracy the heart of a child.

For those who read the scriptures, it is an absolute certainty that ever human who was ever born and died will be resurrected!

I think you are confusing resurrection with gaining everlasting life.

While everyone who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Only some will be resurrected unto everlasting life:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)

Those not resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life, will be resurrected as humans and face judgment.

Here goes the tangent stuff again. Perhaps a new thread?

Dodge, dodge, dodge. I think that was a sign not a tangent.

How was the length?

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.