THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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It's interesting that this is another widely held doctrine by Christians, yet no one has ever put forth an actual age from the scriptures where children are not accountable for their sins. The fact is that when God looks at a human being, he looks at their heart and sees either righteousness or unrighteousness. If righteousness, then that means that Christ's atoning work has been applied to your life. At which point he has given that person a new and perfect heart that is free from sin, and has raised their dead soul to eternal life. If God sees unrighteousness in their heart, then it means that Christ's atoning work has not (or not yet) been applied to that individual and that individual is still in his or her sins. This applies from the moment of conception.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV 1900)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me.


Can something conceived in sin be pure and clean in the eyes of God? The Bible says, no.

Job 14:4 (KJV 1900)
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

So, how does God view a child conceived and still unsaved? The same way he views a grown up who is still unsaved, as wicked.

Psalm 58:3 (KJV 1900)
The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.


Most will say, "babies can't speak, so this can't be referring to babies". Yet this is parabolic language (as is the whole Bible) which is speaking of the spiritual condition (as viewed by God) of mankind who was yet in his sins.

When the Bible as a whole is taken into acount, it absolutely contradicts and therefore rejects such doctrine of any age of accountability. But why then was it invented? Because it was build upon another false doctrine, the free will doctrine which states that a person must make an informed choice if he is going to accept Christ. And since babies can't do that, they had to find a way to make them exempt. But this goes to show what happpens when someone tries to build upon a crooked foundation, everything else they build on that foundation will also be crooked.

My question for anyone who hold to this doctrine is, can you show me how the scriptures you use to support such doctrine agree witht he above Bible verses provided? Because if we isolate passages from the Bible as a whole, then we can make them say anything we want.

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:12 pm
If that is what you believe, so be it. As for me, I can't say with 100% certainty what their future is, as I don't judge others' eternal fate and Jehovah doesn't tell me His choices.



But Jehovah most certainly did tell us what the fate of both believers & unbelievers will be!!

<===== Here is what the fate of believers and nonbelivers (including deceased infants) according to the scriptures inspired by God =======>

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

All mankind are like the first man Adam in that all die. Likewise, every human who ever died shall be resurrected or made alive again. Jesus was resurrected first:

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept. (I Corinthians 15:20)

The resurrection which we presently await is the one at which "they that are Christ's" will be resurrected. "They that are Christ's" refers to Christians. This resurrection for all Christians occurs at the Second Coming of Jesus to the earth, or "at his coming."

Christians who are alive on the earth when Jesus returns will be born again as spirits and meet Him in the air:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

Paul is writing to the Christians at Thessalonica, so "we" refers to Christians.

At this point, all Christians (dead or alive) have been born again as everlasting immortal spiritual beings. They will then enjoy the millennium with Jesus:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

Every believer (dead or alive) was either resurrected or instantly changed to a spiritual being at the Second Coming. Therefore, the rest of the dead is composed of every nonbeliever who has ever died. These dead nonbelievers are resurrected after the Millennium:

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:4)

All whose names were written in the Book of Life as believers were resurrected at the Second Coming. So the Book of life has been cleared. And there were no newly created human believers since the Second Coming because how can they hear the good news without a preacher:

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (Romans 10:14)

Everyone raised in this second resurrection after the Millennium will face the great white throne judgment as all have sinned and are all headed for the second death.

The judgment will hold them responsible for their behavior as humans and some may see that God's plan for them was better than their way of life.

Satan is locked away during this time, the scriptures are unsealed, and these nonbelievers are explained the true good news of the scriptures.

Following this process, the Book of Life is checked again:

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Why check the book again if there were no names in it prior to the second resurrection, and everyone resurrected at the second resurrection was a nonbeliever headed for the second death?

Would God raise these people again as physical bodies only to humiliate them during their judgment before casting them into the lake of fire? Why bother raising them from the dead only to inflict another painful physical death upon them? This flies in the face of "God is love." If the nonbelievers are being resurrected to be humiliated by judgment before being killed a second time, why not simply allow them to remain dead?

Of course, God is love, and He is raising the nonbelievers for a reason! One event prophesied to occur before the end of time is that the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)

Billions or trillions of people have died never having the opportunity to accept Jesus as their Savior. These nonbelievers are raised again as mortals during the second resurrection and given that opportunity! The majority of all people who have ever lived have never, ever, heard the true message of the Holy Scriptures, even in the United States. Remember that the scriptures have been very successfully sealed until the end of time! At this time these people will hear the true message for the first time from angels, including Christians born again as spirits in the first resurrection, with Satan and all of his myths and lies totally defeated. Most people have never been given a choice based on Biblical truth! Their choice was based on myths and fear.

Those times will be over!

Children who die in their innocent years will make this decision after being resurrected a thousand years after the Second Coming and reaching maturity. I was taught that innocent children go immediately to heaven upon their death. This is not the case. The true gospel message that every individual chooses his or her personal fate regardless of their age at death must replace the false message that deceased children go immediately to heaven for eternity.

Children will be treated the same as any other nonbeliever. They will be resurrected as humans at the second resurrection like every other deceased nonbeliever. They will reach maturity and be preached the gospel at that time:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

They will make their informed, educated, individual, personal choice between everlasting life or everlasting death at that time!

Those choosing life will live happily ever after!

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #41]
I didn't read your post, it seems you're on a tangent now, so I'm done here thanks.

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:39 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #41]
I didn't read your post, it seems you're on a tangent now, so I'm done here thanks.
Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:


And the corollary would be "don't seek, and ye shall not find."

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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Matthew 18:2-5
2HE (JESUS CHRIST) called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And HE said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes ME."

The point is, that a little child is already a child. Man looks on the outward appearances but GOD looks upon one's heart.

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LittleNipper wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 6:08 pm Matthew 18:2-5
2HE (JESUS CHRIST) called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And HE said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes ME."

The point is, that a little child is already a child. Man looks on the outward appearances but GOD looks upon one's heart.
In addition, under the original covenant mankind had to be free from sin to gain everlasting life. So Jesus is also confirming that unless we change and become without imputed sin as little children are, then we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

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myth-one.com wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:09 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:39 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #41]
I didn't read your post, it seems you're on a tangent now, so I'm done here thanks.
Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:


And the corollary would be "don't seek, and ye shall not find."
"It is better to draw near to listen....That is why your words should be few. For a dream comes from too many preoccupations, and the chatter of the stupid one comes from too many words." - Ecc 5:1-3

Keep it simple. Just saying more words to sound deep and complex doesn't make one right.

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2timothy316 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 8:50 am
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:09 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:39 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #41]
I didn't read your post, it seems you're on a tangent now, so I'm done here thanks.
Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:


And the corollary would be "don't seek, and ye shall not find."
"It is better to draw near to listen....That is why your words should be few. For a dream comes from too many preoccupations, and the chatter of the stupid one comes from too many words." - Ecc 5:1-3

Keep it simple. Just saying more words to sound deep and complex doesn't make one right.
So you're not done here.

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myth-one.com wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 1:45 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 8:50 am
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:09 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 3:39 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #41]
I didn't read your post, it seems you're on a tangent now, so I'm done here thanks.
Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:


And the corollary would be "don't seek, and ye shall not find."
"It is better to draw near to listen....That is why your words should be few. For a dream comes from too many preoccupations, and the chatter of the stupid one comes from too many words." - Ecc 5:1-3

Keep it simple. Just saying more words to sound deep and complex doesn't make one right.
So you're not done here.
Am done with the tangents and long winded posts off topic.

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Regarding deceased infants, 2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:41 pm Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)
Upon reading that verse inspired by Jehovah, 2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:41 pm Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.
Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?

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myth-one.com wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:40 pm
Regarding deceased infants, 2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:41 pm Will they be resurrected? I don't know, . . .
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. . . . (I Corinthians 15:22-23)
Upon reading that verse inspired by Jehovah, 2timothy316 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 12:41 pm Still, the choice is still not up to you or me. Or perhaps you think you know, in that case, I don't assume I know what my God Jehovah will do or not do.
Do you doubt that they will be resurrected, as Jehovah inspired Paul to write?
Have you seen my post that explains that no child who cannot reason will be destroyed? What do you say about that? A child would have to be able to reason as to what is right and what is wrong. Do you dismiss that?

(All children who have died will be resurrected. Jehovah is a merciful God, and that would match His attributes.)

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