Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow

[Wootah]

[Capbook]

[APAK]

[Replying to APAK in post #25]

Are you saying God spent all his time in the OT condemning the worship of 'not God' to then in the NT elevate 'not God' and tell us to worship 'not God'?

The basis of your words are not Biblical, they are your own opinions and they are extreme. you cannot place scripture to support any of it.

You created the idea that God was condemning the worship of his Son during the OT times when his Son never existed yet. And when his Son went to the Cross he indeed elevated him above every name, as the redeemer of mankind. And no, God does not want us to worship his Son as equal or above himself. That's an incredible and even a blasphemous idea. The true King is the King and his proxy King or Prince will always be his proxy, in stature and honor and even 'worship.'

The OT predicts the son, the Messiah in every theme. I have many posts on here backing the view Jesus is God.

Imagine you had a book about Harry Potter (YHWH) and someone came along and wrote a new book about someone else and told you now everything to do with Harry Potter has to do with the new character. That is what you are doing. Page after page of the NT is about Jesus, not God for you.

You shouldn't allow yourself to mentally wiggle out of this. It is blasphemy to insert not God books and call them the New Testament and value them if Jesus is not God. Read the Old Testament and the lengths God went to to teach Isreal there is is only one God. I mean be fair to the Pharisees. They recognised the same thing I am saying and killed Jesus for it. Jews today recognise what I am saying and reject the New Testament.

But you seem to love having books added to the Bible that are about not God.

I'll tell you what Wootah, let me cut to the chase. Over time as it will take time, you present your support for your claim that Jesus is God and I will reveal or explain why your support has chinks in its armor, at least. I've done this for many decades now and I still have the time and the energy to provide it to you as serious consideration opposing what you have been led to believe in.

[Wootah]

[Replying to APAK in post #32]

I pretty much have a Jesus is God series on her for the JWs.

[Bible_Student]

The reality is this: Jesus is the King whom Jehovah crowned. According to Psalm 110:1, Jehovah Himself would be responsible for subduing His enemies while strengthening His rule. Dan. 7:13, 14 indicate that it is Jehovah Himself who grants rule to Jesus, and Jesus clearly confesses this to His disciples when He says that He has received all authority. It is evident that if people on earth recognize Jesus as divine King and submit to His rule, that homage is indirectly directed to Jehovah, because accepting the Son as King means accepting the arrangement formalized by the Majesty of the Universe.

Furthermore, Jesus will not be alone as king, judge, and priest, but His chosen brothers, purchased with His own blood from among humanity, will reign with Him, judge with Him, and exercise a priesthood alongside Him. This fact is clearly stated in Dan. 7, where in addition to mentioning Jesus as King, he then mentions "the saints of the Supreme One" who receive a government along with Jesus. Jesus told his apostles that they would receive a throne just as he would receive one from his Father (Luke 22:28-30). Then in Rev. 2:26, ??27, and 3:21, Jesus confirms that authority over the nations, a throne, and a reign, will be given to his anointed brothers who will live with him in heaven if they overcome all trials.

Clearly, bowing down before Jesus is an act that reflects submission to the kingdom's arrangements. According to Daniel and Revelation, it is an act that will also have to be performed before the other kings who will be with Jesus. In Isaiah 60:14, the same scene is repeated: nations recognizing the authority of God's chosen ones, submitting to their rule, and paying homage to those God has placed to reign over humanity. Jesus repeats this in his message to the Christian congregation of Philadelphia in Rev. 3:9.

To believe that paying homage to Jesus means that he is Jehovah is a senseless exaggeration. The Bible shows why homage is paid to Jesus, who represents the God who crowned him King, and also to his brothers chosen from among humanity to reign from heaven on earth in the future (Rev. 5:9, 10). Accepting that Jesus will receive homage from all humanity in his due time has nothing to do with the Trinity, Modalism, or Unitarianism. Many NT texts say that when Jesus comes, he will do so "in the glory of his Father" (Matt. 16:27; Luke 9:26).

[Wootah]

[Replying to Bible_Student in post #34]

There is a topic. You ignored it. Please post on topic.

How come the NT consistently uses verses from the OT that apply to God alone and IF I applied those verse to me, you, anyone, any angel, any king, you would identify that as blasphemy BUT when you have actual evidence of them being applied to a not God being Jesus you fail to see this?

[Bible_Student]

[Wootah]

[Replying to Bible_Student in post #36]

You read 2 Daniel and thing Nebuchadnezzar is God? Do you think Daniel thought Nebuchadnezzar was God?

How come the NT consistently uses verses from the OT that apply to God alone and IF I applied those verse to me, you, anyone, any angel, any king, you would identify that as blasphemy BUT when you have actual evidence of them being applied to a not God being Jesus you fail to see this?

[Bible_Student]

I think I was explicit about what the Bible shows concerning comparing Jehovah and Jesus based on tiles, roles and other applied texts.

I don't really have too much time right now. Hopefully in another moment I'll continue showing why any attempt to compare Jehovah to Jesus is futile, since Jesus calls Jehovah his own God, something that would be impossible if he were the God of gods, just as his Father is.

I wish you a wonderful week.

[APAK]

[Replying to Wootah in post #33]

Well all who do not believe the Son of God is the same as God himself are not all JWs either, as I'm not one.

And there are areas I do agree with them on and others areas not.

Just saying..

[Wootah]

[Replying to Wootah in post #33]

Well all who do not believe the Son of God is the same as God himself are not all JWs either, as I'm not one.

And there are areas I do agree with them on and others areas not.

Just saying..

Well what belief system do you belong to?