It is written in John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
And Jesus said in John 14:6-7
King James Version
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
So if no man has seen God at any time, how do we reconcile what seems to be a contradiction? When you understand the identity of the Son of God being the very Word of God, then you will understand there is no contradiction.
It is the Word OF God that was made flesh in the man Jesus. And it is BY God’s Word and words that we get to know and see what God the Father is really like, His likes and dislikes. It is by God’s Word and words we get to see and know the will of God the Father.
In this way, by looking at the words and actions of Jesus Christ we get to see and know what The invisible God is really like.
We don’t see the outward image of God in Christ, but rather we see the inward image of God in Jesus Christ, as God was in Christ.
Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
When you understand this mystery then there is a harmony to the text without contradiction.
Peace and God bless
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #31If you read the whole Genesis 32, you can see that the person was a man, not the God.Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:16 am ...
Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
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Gen. 32:26
The meaning of face to face can be, directly, doesn't necessary mean that one has seen the other person's face.Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:16 am Deuteronomy 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #32Post #30 is in line with your comment. "Face-to-face" has the meaning of close proximity or an understanding and agreement between the two. No one has literally seen God. Some have been very close to Him which could be called a face-to-face encounter.1213 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:40 amIf you read the whole Genesis 32, you can see that the person was a man, not the God.Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:16 am ...
Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
The man said...
Gen. 32:26
The meaning of face to face can be, directly, doesn't necessary mean that one has seen the other person's face.Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:16 am Deuteronomy 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #33Sorry if I was able to respond to you right away. I maybe missed some of you post.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:45 amWell, when I do reference commentaries, why don't you respond right away? I always respond to your posts. Now, about the statement in the OP: "No man has seen God at any time." That cancels out Jesus as being God. Men have seen him. No one has literally seen the true God, YHWH. Jesus is not God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:18 amSorry, I forgot where to find them.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:35 pmI have used commentaries. Did you respond to them? I don't recall that you did.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:42 amGood, we can compare then.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:52 amMy index is in the footnote, you can easily find examples of my using a wide variety of commentaries.
We also can compare then.
Jesus is in human form on earth that's why men sees Him.
And Jesus is God, even called real God.
1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life. (GOD's WORD Translation)
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #34Men cannot see God. Therefore Jesus could not be God. He is NOT called "the real God" in most versions of the Bible (besides your "God's Word Translation). The thought is spurious. The verse actually refers to the Father who is God. Notice that Jesus is the Son of the true one.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:34 amSorry if I was able to respond to you right away. I maybe missed some of you post.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:45 amWell, when I do reference commentaries, why don't you respond right away? I always respond to your posts. Now, about the statement in the OP: "No man has seen God at any time." That cancels out Jesus as being God. Men have seen him. No one has literally seen the true God, YHWH. Jesus is not God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:18 amSorry, I forgot where to find them.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:35 pmI have used commentaries. Did you respond to them? I don't recall that you did.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:42 amGood, we can compare then.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:52 amMy index is in the footnote, you can easily find examples of my using a wide variety of commentaries.
We also can compare then.
Jesus is in human form on earth that's why men sees Him.
And Jesus is God, even called real God.
1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life. (GOD's WORD Translation)
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #35The phrase, "This is true God" apostle John did refer to the Lord Jesus Christ. In human form man can see Jesus, and even the Father called Him God.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:41 amMen cannot see God. Therefore Jesus could not be God. He is NOT called "the real God" in most versions of the Bible (besides your "God's Word Translation). The thought is spurious. The verse actually refers to the Father who is God. Notice that Jesus is the Son of the true one.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:34 amSorry if I was able to respond to you right away. I maybe missed some of you post.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:45 amWell, when I do reference commentaries, why don't you respond right away? I always respond to your posts. Now, about the statement in the OP: "No man has seen God at any time." That cancels out Jesus as being God. Men have seen him. No one has literally seen the true God, YHWH. Jesus is not God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:18 amSorry, I forgot where to find them.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:35 pmI have used commentaries. Did you respond to them? I don't recall that you did.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:42 amGood, we can compare then.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:52 amMy index is in the footnote, you can easily find examples of my using a wide variety of commentaries.
We also can compare then.
Jesus is in human form on earth that's why men sees Him.
And Jesus is God, even called real God.
1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life. (GOD's WORD Translation)
This is the true God - o There has been much difference of opinion in regard to this important passage; whether it refers to the Lord Jesus Christ, the immediate antecedent, or to a more remote antecedent - referring to God, as such. The question is of importance in its bearing on the doctrine of the divinity of the Saviour; for if it refers to him, it furnishes an unequivocal declaration that he is divine. The question is, whether John “meant” that it should be referred to him? Without going into an extended examination of the passage, the following considerations seem to me to make it morally certain that by the phrase “this is the true God,” etc., he did refer to the Lord Jesus Christ. (Barne's)
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #36No it did not, it refers to JEHOVAH, the Father.
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #37It did refer to Jesus. ISV said so.
(ISV) We also know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know the true God. We are in union with the one who is true, his Son Jesus the Messiah, who is the true God and eternal life
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Post #38The passage mentions Jesus but he is nit being refered to when it speaks about the True God. That expression is is always a reference to Jehovah (YHWH) see John 17:3.
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #39JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:05 amThe passage mentions Jesus but he is nit being refered to when it speaks about the True God. That expression is is always a reference to Jehovah (YHWH) see John 17:3.
We are in union with the one who is true, his Son Jesus the Messiah. It seems clear to me, it refer to Jesus.
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Post #40I dont care what it seems to you, you are not God. Jesus referred to his FATHER as The True God, that is What is clear enough. I have provided the bible passage which interprété this verese for us.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:08 amThe passage mentions Jesus but he is NOT being refered to when it speaks about the True God. That expression is is always a reference to Jehovah (YHWH) see John 17:3.
We are in union with the one who is true, his Son Jesus the Messiah. It seems clear to me, it refer to Jesus.
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8