God has a god.

[Checkpoint]

Scriptures tell us that God the Father is the God of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Anyone who has a god is not, by definition, God.

Therefore, Jesus Christ is not the one true God.

God the Father has no god.

He is therefore, by definition, God Himself, the only true God.

What say you?

Relevant scriptures

Psalm 45:7;Hebrews 1:9

You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

John 17:3

Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Mark 15:34

And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lema
sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

John 20:17

Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

2 Corinthians 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

Ephesians 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms.

Colossians 1:3

We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

1 Peter 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy, He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by Checkpoint]

God (Almighty God the Creator YHWH) has no God, as he is supreme ruler of the universe.

Jesus (who identified himself as the SON of God) does if scriptures are to be believed have a God.


JW

When Jesus walk on this earth He has come for redeemed us. Read the book of Hebrews. If God says that everything must worshipped His Son. Because His Son is God.

We worship the Son because he deserves RESPECT as God's Son and the King of God's Kingdom. "Worship" is relative. We give worship as God Almighty to the Father, Jehovah, alone. We give "worship" to Jesus as, not God, but God's Son.

The Father never said we are to recognize Jesus as God. Can you find anywhere in the Scriptures that says that we have to worship Jesus as God? Has the Father said this?

No. The Father said, "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to him." (Matthew 17:5)

[Pipiripi]

Read the book of John

The same book of John has Jesus defining the Father as the only true God (John 17.3), and also indicates (as has already been pointed out) that Jesus has a God.

Jesus is not a create human being or a spiritual person. Jesus came forth out of the father who is God. Hebrews 1:1-14. Read verse 6. And if the angels who never has sin adore Jesus. And what about we human that the one who has died for us? God said so!! Or you obey God or you keep following men's tradations.

[steveb1]

[Replying to post 1 by Checkpoint]

"Anyone who has a god is not, by definition, God."

But they can be, like Jesus, preexistent and divine without being ontologically "God". The Jewish Son of Man, Adam Kadmon, Yahoel the chief assisting angel were terms that described a divine, preexistent Son/Logos in heaven next to God's throne.

This figure was made divine by God so ordaining that stature and status. Hence, in Jesus's case, "all things were made by/through him" because God ordained Jesus - the heavenly Son of Man - as His agent of creation. As with the angel Yahoel, Jesus, too, was charged with executing divine judgement and with carrying the divine Name itself. Jesus clearly identified himself with the Son of Man, who, like the ancient Angel, lived in the clouds and would come on the clouds, "with Power", in great glory, charged with the power of divine judgment.

As Margaret Barker, Alan F. Segal, Michael Heiser and others have shown, Judaism was always a binitarian - not Trinitarian - system, with El Elyon - "the Most High" as the highest single one true God, who also had a non-eternal but pre-existent "Son" who interacted with Moses and with the people of Israel throughout their history. Jesus identified himself with this pre-existent figure when he identified himself with the angelic, heavenly Son of Man.

Thus, not two Gods, but rather a binitarian system of one "High" deity accompanied by a second being who was ordained by that deity with "Sonship" and several divine attributes and functions, including bearing the divine Name and executing divine judgment. A figure who "incarnated" in and as the New Testament Jesus.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 23 by steveb1]

The Jewish Son of Man, Adam Kadmon, Yahoel the chief assisting angel

Oh?

Please clarify.

Where is this in scripture?

[steveb1]

[Replying to post 23 by steveb1]

The Jewish Son of Man, Adam Kadmon, Yahoel the chief assisting angel

Oh?

Please clarify.

Where is this in scripture?

I already did, it's in the Gospel scene of Jesus's Sanhedrin trial where he identifies himself as the heavenly Son of Man, which figure also appears in Daniel and other books in the Jewish Bible. It was the Angel of the Lord who led the ancient Israelites in the wilderness.

https://www.thoughtco.com/angel-who-guided-moses-124031

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don ... art_26.cfm

http://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlin ... gel_03.htm

https://www.gotquestions.org/angel-of-the-Lord.html

Son of Man/heavenly Messiah/Adam Kadmon

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/artic ... eexistence

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/artic ... man-son-of

http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?scr ... 7000300004

Resources

[Pipiripi]

[Replying to post 1 by Checkpoint]

God (Almighty God the Creator YHWH) has no God, as he is supreme ruler of the universe.

Jesus (who identified himself as the SON of God) does if scriptures are to be believed have a God.


JW

When Jesus walk on this earth He has come for redeemed us. Read the book of Hebrews. If God says that everything must worshipped His Son. Because His Son is God.

We worship the Son because he deserves RESPECT as God's Son and the King of God's Kingdom. "Worship" is relative. We give worship as God Almighty to the Father, Jehovah, alone. We give "worship" to Jesus as, not God, but God's Son.

The Father never said we are to recognize Jesus as God. Can you find anywhere in the Scriptures that says that we have to worship Jesus as God? Has the Father said this?

No. The Father said, "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to him." (Matthew 17:5)

God has say to Moses, you will be like God before pharaoh. The problem is that you don't understand the difference because. When Jesus say I am in my FATHER and my FATHER in me. He said to Philip why you asking my let you the Father? Did you don't know me? John wrote the WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD IS GOD. Go read John one again. The problem of yours believing that you don't accept Jesus as a Son. You don't believed that Jesus now have a flesh body. It is impossible for You to understand the scriptures. You don't beliefs that Jesus died on the cross. Your teaching is completely opposite of the Bible teaching my friend. Is time for wake up and only follow the Bible just like it say. GET OUT OF BABYLON that you are living in now. Why is it difficult to understand this simple truth? Again this time with an open mind. GOD HAS A SON. GOD NAME IS JEHOVAH. HIS SON NAME IS JESUS. JEHOVAH IS GOD. AND HE BROUGHT A SON FORTH. THAT MEANS OUT OF HIM. THE SON IS LITERAL GOD SON. WE BECAME GOD SON. NOT BEGOTTEN SON. GOD IS SPIRIT AND JESUS WAS SPIRIT BEFORE HIS ASCENDING TO EARTH. NOW JESUS IS IN HEAVEN WITH AN IMMORTAL BODY. JEHOVAH IS GOD THAT'S WHY HIS BEGOTTEN SON IS GOD. I AM A HUMAN MY CHILDREN ARE ALSO HUMAN. BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ME. I AM HIS/HER FATHER. THEY ARE NOT THE ME. IS THE SAME MY FRIEND. JUST THINK IF GOD CAN DIE, WHO BECAME GOD IN THE GOD PLACE? A KING AND A PRINCE, ACCOUNT IS THE SAME. EVERY BODY MUST BOW FOR THE PRINCE. JESUS IS THE PRINCE OF THE LIVING GOD. BUT WHEN JESUS RETURN HE WILL BE KING ABOVE kings AND LORD ABOVE lords.

[DPMartin]

Scriptures tell us that God the Father is the God of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Anyone who has a god is not, by definition, God.

Therefore, Jesus Christ is not the one true God.

God the Father has no god.

He is therefore, by definition, God Himself, the only true God.

What say you?

Relevant scriptures

Psalm 45:7;Hebrews 1:9

You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

John 17:3

Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Mark 15:34

And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lema
sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

John 20:17

Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

2 Corinthians 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

Ephesians 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms.

Colossians 1:3

We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

1 Peter 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy, He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

thing is the Israelites already understood then, that saying one is Son of God is God's equal. so in the case of the God of Israel to all that are not God and Jesus is the Word of God hence Son of God and the only Way to God His Father that makes Jesus God to anything not God.

Joh_5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit that is One, and is God to anything not God.

[onewithhim]

Read the book of John

The same book of John has Jesus defining the Father as the only true God (John 17.3), and also indicates (as has already been pointed out) that Jesus has a God.

Jesus is not a create human being or a spiritual person. Jesus came forth out of the father who is God. Hebrews 1:1-14. Read verse 6. And if the angels who never has sin adore Jesus. And what about we human that the one who has died for us? God said so!! Or you obey God or you keep following men's tradations.

The Scriptures indicate that Jesus was created. He was the very first thing that God created. Before anything else in the universe.

"He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation." (Colossians 1:15)


Jesus said that he came from the Father, and the Father (God) is a Spirit (John 4:24). Paul's letter to the Philippians says that Jesus was "in the form of God," so we have affirmation that Jesus was in God's form, which was SPIRIT. (Phil.2:6)

Hebrews 1:8 should be translated, "With reference to the Son: God is your throne forever and ever...," meaning that Jesus' power and authority to be King on his heavenly throne comes from God. That has to be the translation of it, because verse 9 says that the Son has a God.

"You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your partners." (Heb.1:9)


We fully accept Jesus as our Redeemer and our King. We just don't believe that he is God. He said that he has a God and it is his Father. (John 20:17)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by Checkpoint]

God (Almighty God the Creator YHWH) has no God, as he is supreme ruler of the universe.

Jesus (who identified himself as the SON of God) does if scriptures are to be believed have a God.


JW

When Jesus walk on this earth He has come for redeemed us. Read the book of Hebrews. If God says that everything must worshipped His Son. Because His Son is God.

We worship the Son because he deserves RESPECT as God's Son and the King of God's Kingdom. "Worship" is relative. We give worship as God Almighty to the Father, Jehovah, alone. We give "worship" to Jesus as, not God, but God's Son.

The Father never said we are to recognize Jesus as God. Can you find anywhere in the Scriptures that says that we have to worship Jesus as God? Has the Father said this?

No. The Father said, "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to him." (Matthew 17:5)

God has say to Moses, you will be like God before pharaoh. The problem is that you don't understand the difference because. When Jesus say I am in my FATHER and my FATHER in me. He said to Philip why you asking my let you the Father? Did you don't know me? John wrote the WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD IS GOD. Go read John one again. The problem of yours believing that you don't accept Jesus as a Son. You don't believed that Jesus now have a flesh body. It is impossible for You to understand the scriptures. You don't beliefs that Jesus died on the cross. Your teaching is completely opposite of the Bible teaching my friend. Is time for wake up and only follow the Bible just like it say. GET OUT OF BABYLON that you are living in now. Why is it difficult to understand this simple truth? Again this time with an open mind. GOD HAS A SON. GOD NAME IS JEHOVAH. HIS SON NAME IS JESUS. JEHOVAH IS GOD. AND HE BROUGHT A SON FORTH. THAT MEANS OUT OF HIM. THE SON IS LITERAL GOD SON. WE BECAME GOD SON. NOT BEGOTTEN SON. GOD IS SPIRIT AND JESUS WAS SPIRIT BEFORE HIS ASCENDING TO EARTH. NOW JESUS IS IN HEAVEN WITH AN IMMORTAL BODY. JEHOVAH IS GOD THAT'S WHY HIS BEGOTTEN SON IS GOD. I AM A HUMAN MY CHILDREN ARE ALSO HUMAN. BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ME. I AM HIS/HER FATHER. THEY ARE NOT THE ME. IS THE SAME MY FRIEND. JUST THINK IF GOD CAN DIE, WHO BECAME GOD IN THE GOD PLACE? A KING AND A PRINCE, ACCOUNT IS THE SAME. EVERY BODY MUST BOW FOR THE PRINCE. JESUS IS THE PRINCE OF THE LIVING GOD. BUT WHEN JESUS RETURN HE WILL BE KING ABOVE kings AND LORD ABOVE lords.

Why are you so upset, and what are you talking about? I don't think you have actually read any of my posts. I don't think you have looked up any of the information I have provided for you, and the links I have posted. John 1:1 does not say that Jesus is God---THE God. If you won't read my explanations, how can you carry on a meaningful discussion?

Jehovah is God, and Jesus is His begotten Son. Jehovah did beget Jesus, meaning that Jesus was procreated; given rise to; caused. Just because Jehovah is God, that doesn't make His Son also God. You will never be your father, even though you are both humans.

You said that I "don't accept Jesus as a Son" and that I don't believe he came in a fleshly body. Where did you get that idea? Again, I have to come to the conclusion that you haven't really read what I've said.

[Pipiripi]

Read the book of John

The same book of John has Jesus defining the Father as the only true God (John 17.3), and also indicates (as has already been pointed out) that Jesus has a God.

Jesus is not a create human being or a spiritual person. Jesus came forth out of the father who is God. Hebrews 1:1-14. Read verse 6. And if the angels who never has sin adore Jesus. And what about we human that the one who has died for us? God said so!! Or you obey God or you keep following men's tradations.

The Scriptures indicate that Jesus was created. He was the very first thing that God created. Before anything else in the universe.

"He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation." (Colossians 1:15)


Jesus said that he came from the Father, and the Father (God) is a Spirit (John 4:24). Paul's letter to the Philippians says that Jesus was "in the form of God," so we have affirmation that Jesus was in God's form, which was SPIRIT. (Phil.2:6)

Hebrews 1:8 should be translated, "With reference to the Son: God is your throne forever and ever...," meaning that Jesus' power and authority to be King on his heavenly throne comes from God. That has to be the translation of it, because verse 9 says that the Son has a God.

"You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your partners." (Heb.1:9)


We fully accept Jesus as our Redeemer and our King. We just don't believe that he is God. He said that he has a God and it is his Father. (John 20:17)

What is the different between coming FORTH of CREATE? What means the word only BEGOTTEN? JOHN 3:16. AND CALL SON!! When God was creating things Jesus was with Him my friends.