Subforum assumption, Bible authority

[daedalus 2.0]

The purpose of this subforum is to have a place to freely engage in debates on Christian theology with the basic assumption that the Bible can be used as a primary reference without the need to defend its authority. Responses to topics with "but first you have to prove that the Bible is true" is not allowed here.

I agree. This subforum allows the believer to skip the sticky, uncomfortable mess of showing the Bible is true and dive right into their doctrine. This forum needs to be this way because Xians need protection from this basic logical process.

Now, when I reference Andrea Yates or Fred Phelps as an example of the dangers of Xianity, the Xian will say: But you can't judge Xianity by the people who don't represent Xianity.

My question is this: If we are assuming the Bible is an authority - whose authority do we use? All we get are a long list of people who DON'T speak for Xianity, but is there anyone who does? Jesus? But he didn't write anything and the Bible's authority is up to interpretation.

Personally, I like Bob Price's or Bishop Shelby Sprong's interpretation.

Whose authority do you accept as the authority on what authority the Bible holds as authority?

[Illusion]

I was not taught by another man. I was taught by God as the covenant said we would be. There are others also who are like myself. The words of the gospel has to be heard and recieved to become part of that covenant. So the gospel message must be told in order for this to take place.

Did God speak to you from a burning bush? Did he call to you from the next room?
If you are like most, the teachings and wisdom you attribute to God, you have received from other humans, pastors, parents, apostles, prophets and the like.

No! My memory goes back to being in my pram. I have known God is real since childhood. It was a shock to find out that other people didn't. Why does everyone look for something dramatic like a burning bush or a road to damascus enlightenment?

Perhaps god should be required to audition for the part?

[Word_Swordsman]

My Bible says you will be the one crying.

You may follow your Bible, I will follow God's Bible and the one that has authority here.

An atheist following a Bible? Oxymoron. You have no God leading you to the truth of which is right. As a result, you took the route Satan prescribed.

I might remind you that in this subforum the Bible has authority. Whatever I say in other subforums is for those subforum rules.

Yes, the HOLY Bible the Church has held since the first century Church began, plus the accepted Tanach scriptures Jesus mastered and taught out of. You speak of a corrupted "bible".

As Saint Paul said, "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them under the Law, that I might gain them that are under the Law;
To them that are without the law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ) that I might gain them that are under the law.
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
I CORINTHIANS 9:19-22"

Among the atheists I am like the atheists.

That was not license for atheists to mingle among Christians as wolves in sheep's garb. That passage had to do with Paul, a Jew and Pharisee, continuing to mingle among Jews as a Jew with ability to point out the Tanach's foretelling of the Christ, identified as Jesus. It was not a message to and for use by atheists. You distort the clear message of the word of God. I am not surprised.

In this subforum I speak only the Truth as given by the All-Knowing Father in Heaven: God and his Son Jesus.

You speak of yourself, misapplying the truth.

Don't try to undermine the authority of the Bible here. In your Satan World, do whatever you want, but not here. This is The No-Sin Zone. Jesus World. The God 'Hood. Not your Satan Love In.

You are the one distorting truth here. You are not numbered among the children of God, so cannot speak for us, citing scriptures out of context and contrary to the other teachings of Paul.

[Goat]

You are the one distorting truth here. You are not numbered among the children of God, so cannot speak for us, citing scriptures out of context and contrary to the other teachings of Paul.

All people are the children of God, no matter what their beliefs about him are. That includes Hindu's, Muslims, Wiccians, Christians , Jews and atheists. As for 'scripture out of context'.. well, that sounds like the kettle calling the pot black.

[Word_Swordsman]

You are the one distorting truth here. You are not numbered among the children of God, so cannot speak for us, citing scriptures out of context and contrary to the other teachings of Paul.

All people are the children of God, no matter what their beliefs about him are. That includes Hindu's, Muslims, Wiccians, Christians , Jews and atheists. As for 'scripture out of context'.. well, that sounds like the kettle calling the pot black.

The Bible declares many are the children of Satan, so of course not all people are God's children. Even the Tanach separates Gentile unbelievers from the House of Israel, with no hope, except in a generation when Gentiles will be afforded the light that came to the children of Abraham.

There is only one begotten Son of God, the rest children of men until each person chooses this day whom he shall serve. Additional children of God come to Him as adoptees according to faith, as taught to Abraham. You need to study Judaism to get some basis for discussing this. God claimed His children on the basis of faith of Abraham, not a particular blood line through Abraham.

[daedalus 2.0]

My Bible says you will be the one crying.

You may follow your Bible, I will follow God's Bible and the one that has authority here.

An atheist following a Bible? Oxymoron. You have no God leading you to the truth of which is right. As a result, you took the route Satan prescribed.

I might remind you that in this subforum the Bible has authority. Whatever I say in other subforums is for those subforum rules.

Yes, the HOLY Bible the Church has held since the first century Church began, plus the accepted Tanach scriptures Jesus mastered and taught out of. You speak of a corrupted "bible".

As Saint Paul said, "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them under the Law, that I might gain them that are under the Law;
To them that are without the law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ) that I might gain them that are under the law.
To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
I CORINTHIANS 9:19-22"

Among the atheists I am like the atheists.

That was not license for atheists to mingle among Christians as wolves in sheep's garb. That passage had to do with Paul, a Jew and Pharisee, continuing to mingle among Jews as a Jew with ability to point out the Tanach's foretelling of the Christ, identified as Jesus. It was not a message to and for use by atheists. You distort the clear message of the word of God. I am not surprised.

In this subforum I speak only the Truth as given by the All-Knowing Father in Heaven: God and his Son Jesus.

You speak of yourself, misapplying the truth.

Don't try to undermine the authority of the Bible here. In your Satan World, do whatever you want, but not here. This is The No-Sin Zone. Jesus World. The God 'Hood. Not your Satan Love In.

You are the one distorting truth here. You are not numbered among the children of God, so cannot speak for us, citing scriptures out of context and contrary to the other teachings of Paul.

Your response is exactly what I'd expect from an agent of Satan. Sorry, the Bible I follow is the HOLY and FIRST Bible. Yours is an abomination created almost a quarter of millenia later.

I'd ask you for evidence of your claim, but I don't need it. I know you are promoting Satan because God has spoken to me, and you are speaking against God's Holy Word: Marcion's Bible.

Thank God you don't have influence here, and thank God someone isn't trying to claim THEIR Bible (Say, Thomas Jefferson's Bible) is authority.

The First Bible wins. Marcion's. All others are heretical and of Satan.

[daedalus 2.0]

You are the one distorting truth here. You are not numbered among the children of God, so cannot speak for us, citing scriptures out of context and contrary to the other teachings of Paul.

All people are the children of God, no matter what their beliefs about him are. That includes Hindu's, Muslims, Wiccians, Christians , Jews and atheists. As for 'scripture out of context'.. well, that sounds like the kettle calling the pot black.

Sorry, goat, in this subforum the Bible has authority. You don't get to bring your lovey-dovey, hippie Bible in here and start making claims.

The Bible can only mean ONE thing: God's Bible. The Word. This can ONLY mean Marcion's Bible. He was inspired by God and rightly rejected all other texts in favor of the truth.

[Goat]

You are the one distorting truth here. You are not numbered among the children of God, so cannot speak for us, citing scriptures out of context and contrary to the other teachings of Paul.

All people are the children of God, no matter what their beliefs about him are. That includes Hindu's, Muslims, Wiccians, Christians , Jews and atheists. As for 'scripture out of context'.. well, that sounds like the kettle calling the pot black.

Sorry, goat, in this subforum the Bible has authority. You don't get to bring your lovey-dovey, hippie Bible in here and start making claims.

The Bible can only mean ONE thing: God's Bible. The Word. This can ONLY mean Marcion's Bible. He was inspired by God and rightly rejected all other texts in favor of the truth.

Word swordsman does not have any biblical support that only people who follow his belief are 'children of god'.

[Cathar1950]

Yes, the HOLY Bible the Church has held since the first century Church began, plus the accepted Tanach scriptures Jesus mastered and taught out of. You speak of a corrupted "bible".

Some of those writing didn't happen until the second century and they were still arguing over it hundreds of years later.
Only 7 of Paul's so-called 13 letters are Paul's.

[daedalus 2.0]

You are the one distorting truth here. You are not numbered among the children of God, so cannot speak for us, citing scriptures out of context and contrary to the other teachings of Paul.

All people are the children of God, no matter what their beliefs about him are. That includes Hindu's, Muslims, Wiccians, Christians , Jews and atheists. As for 'scripture out of context'.. well, that sounds like the kettle calling the pot black.

Sorry, goat, in this subforum the Bible has authority. You don't get to bring your lovey-dovey, hippie Bible in here and start making claims.

The Bible can only mean ONE thing: God's Bible. The Word. This can ONLY mean Marcion's Bible. He was inspired by God and rightly rejected all other texts in favor of the truth.

Word swordsman does not have any biblical support that only people who follow his belief are 'children of god'.

True, but what about my personal revelation that I am right? That must count for something!

[Cathar1950]

It is one thing to get a Sunday school version of the 19th century bible believer's interpretaion but as a debating forum I think the threats of hell and blaming everything on Satan borders on childish.