King James scholars

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After reading many of the posts, I am sure there are many well-educated people on this forum, some schooled in the languages of Greek and Hebrew. But being a student compared to being the teacher or those who write the books on languages is vastly different. There are those on this forum who have criticized the K.J.B. and dare to compare it with the Bible their organization has published, or what Westcott and Hort have produced. To me, it’s about credentials.

Of the fifty-four translators who began the work, four were college presidents, six were bishops, five were deans, thirty held PhDs, thirty-nine held master's degrees, there were forty-one university professors, thirteen were masters of the Hebrew language, and ten had mastered Greek. Because of sickness and death, seven men dropped out.

Every man involved in the King James Bible translation believed in the verbal inspiration of the Scriptures, all believed in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and all were men of prayer. The translators of the King James Bible believed that what they had spent nearly seven years of their lives producing was an “exact translation of the holy Scriptures into the English tongue.”

Each man used the resources of Cambridge, Oxford, and Westminster Universities. Historians concur that during this era, the English language had “ripened to its full perfection.” It was also said, the study of Greek, and the oriental languages, and of rabbinical lore, had been carried to a greater extent in England than ever before or since. The character and credentials of the translators were impeccable.
I have listed only five of the 47 men who worked on the King James Bible.

Lancelot Andrewes, while a young student at Cambridge, learned a new language each year during Easter break. After several years, he had mastered most of the languages of Europe. He spoke Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Chaldee, Syriac, Arabic and at least fifteen other languages. It was said of him that he could have been “interpreter general” at the Tower of Babel! He was also reputed to have spent an average of five hours each day in prayer. He was known as “the star of preachers.”

William Bedwell produced translations of the Scriptures into Hebrew, Syriac, Chaldee and Arabic. He produced a Persian dictionary and a three-volume Arabic lexicon. He was a master of the Semitic languages, which shed much light on Hebrew words and phrases, most importantly those Hebrew words and phrases that found their way into the Greek language of the New Testament.

John Bois read through the Hebrew Bible by age five, and by age six was writing Hebrew legibly. He was often found studying Greek at the Cambridge library from four a.m. until 8 p.m. (sixteen hours a day!). Bois tutored many of his fellow students at the University in Greek, and his class was also attended by many of his Greek professors! He had the entire Greek New Testament committed to memory. He practiced fasting twice a week and often gave to help the poor until he had no more to give himself.

Dr. Miles Smith was known as “a walking library.” He was called by his contemporaries “an incomparable theologist.” He had studied all of the writings of the Latin and Greek church fathers, and was as well versed in Arabic, Chaldee and Syriac as he was in English. It was said of Smith that he “had Hebrew at his fingers’ ends.” He was chosen by the other translators to write the Preface to the King James Bible, Miles Smith served as the final editor on the King James translation, perusing the entire text of the Bible before it went to press in 1611.

John Reynolds at the age of 23 was made a Greek lecturer at Corpus Christi College. He gave himself to the study of the Scriptures in the original languages and was an “able and successful preacher.” He had read all the Greek and Latin fathers, and all the records of the ancient church. He was known as “a living library” and “a third university” (Oxford, Cambridge, and John Reynolds!). It is said of him, “The memory and reading of that man were near to a miracle. He was so well skilled in all arts and sciences, as if he had spent his whole life in each of them.”

Of the fifty-four translators, four were college presidents, six were bishops, five were deans, thirty held PhDs, thirty-nine held master's degrees, there were forty-one university professors, thirteen were masters of the Hebrew language, and ten had mastered Greek. Every man involved in the King James Bible translation believed in the verbal inspiration of the Scriptures, all believed in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and all were men of prayer. Yet they were all humble men.

A look at some of the statements of the translators themselves reveals the depth of their convictions concerning the eternal Word of God. They spoke of the Scriptures as “that inestimable treasure which excelleth all the riches of the earth.” They acknowledged the Bible as being “so full and so perfect,” “a fountain of most pure water, springing up into everlasting life.” They believed “the original (Scriptures were) from heaven, not earth; the author being God, not men; the penmen, such as were sanctified from the womb and endued with a principal portion of God’s Spirit.” They referred to the Bible as “God’s Word,” “God's Truth,” “God’s testimony,” “the Word of salvation.

A few closing comments from The Translators to the Reader: Gentle Reader, we commend thee to God, and the Spirit of His grace. He removed the scales from our eyes, the veil from our hearts, opening our wits that we may understand His Word, enlarging our hearts, yea correcting our affections, that we may love it above gold and silver, yea that we may love it to the end.

Ye are brought unto fountains of living water which ye dig not. Others have labored, and you may enter into their labors; O receive not so great things in vain, O despise not so great salvation! It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God; but a blessed thing it is, and will bring us to everlasting blsessedness in the end, when God speaks unto us, to hearken; when He sets His Word before us, to read it; when He stretches out His hand and calleth, to answer, Here am I, here we are to do thy will O God.”

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He is 100% correct-a god belongs at John 1:1----0 doubt in all creation. You best relook while there is time.
KJ translators used Catholicism translating=filled with errors, not to mention the removal of Gods name against Gods will by satans will to mislead all using those translations=100% fact of reality--Relook while there is time.

Let's examine the facts. The N.W.T. and most modern-day Bibles came into existence no earlier than 1960. If what you falsely claim is true, for the past 600 years, every person who read from the Tindal, Wycliff, Bishop's Bible, and King James Bible is lost. Every translator and Biblical scholar wrong. Is it any wonder the Witnesses believe only they are the 144,000, that they are Spiritual Israel, and that they alone hold to the truth.

It's a lie right out of the depths of hell itself. False prophets who prophesied end time events for over 100 years, and every time their words failed. Don't believe me, read your own history.

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You mean removed from Trinity Christendom. Well of course they removed him, truth exposes them as false religions.

Your resource Abner Kneeland was a member Universalist church, historically a Christian denomination, believed in the universal salvation of all people, meaning that all souls would ultimately be saved, not just a select few. And the church is not Trinitarian.

He was also a Baptist minister.

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He is 100% correct-a god belongs at John 1:1----0 doubt in all creation. You best relook while there is time.
KJ translators used Catholicism translating=filled with errors, not to mention the removal of Gods name against Gods will by satans will to mislead all using those translations=100% fact of reality--Relook while there is time.

Let's examine the facts. The N.W.T. and most modern-day Bibles came into existence no earlier than 1960. If what you falsely claim is true, for the past 600 years, every person who read from the Tindal, Wycliff, Bishop's Bible, and King James Bible is lost. Every translator and Biblical scholar wrong. Is it any wonder the Witnesses believe only they are the 144,000, that they are Spiritual Israel, and that they alone hold to the truth.

It's a lie right out of the depths of hell itself. False prophets who prophesied end time events for over 100 years, and every time their words failed. Don't believe me, read your own history.

I notice now Witness has a response to the following, so I will post it here.

In what way is Jesus the Father's Son? Did the Father have some sort of spiritual sex with an angel? If you believe that, you're a Mormon.

What is the Father's spiritual makeup? Is it some form of spiritual DNA? or is it something so wonderful, no man can explain it.

Jesus is said to be "The brightness of the Father's glory." What is the Father's glory composed of? It's the glowing splendor, a light from within radiating out. Jesus is said to be the Light of the World. Paul saw this splendor and fell to the earth trembling. In a moment, what Paul saw and heard, turned a mass murder into an apostle of God. I don't know exactly what he saw, but it scared the pants off of him.

Jesus is said to be the express image of the Father's person; the expressed image of the Father is to be the counterpart of the Father's essence or being. Jesus is of the same character or impression of the Father's substance, a substance that is essential to both the Father as God, and the Son as God. All the likeness of the Original (the Father) became manifest in his Son Jesus; therefore, Jesus is a perfect simile of the Father. This comparison is a metaphor taken from sealing; a die or seal leaves its full impression, its every part, on the wax to which the die or seal was applied. It's an inherent splendor.

Although the Son of God proceeded from the Father, and is of the same essence, yet he is a distinct Person from the Father. The splendor of the sun, though of the same essence, is distinct from the sun itself, though each is essential to the other.

And Jesus is said to "Uphold all things by the word of his power." An astonishing description of the infinitely energetic and all-pervading power of God. Jesus spoke and all things came into being. He speaks and all things are sustained. The Hebrews to whom this was written, would fully understand that the apostle believed Jesus Christ is truly God.

To deny these things is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, for it is the Holy Spirit that reveals these things to us.

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[Replying to placebofactor in post #11]

All Christian religions( Catholicism and protestants) were false religions all along. Mislead by satans will using altered translations. Here in these last days when truth is needed God fixed things. This whole world will find out that is 100% fact.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #8]


I never stated he knew all truth, he did know truth on John 1:1--all the false religions claiming to be Christian know some truth.

An interpretation of one man that translate the NT, seems odd.
Can you provide us his NT translations, that we may able to compare it to some?

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[Replying to placebofactor in post #11]

All Christian religions( Catholicism and protestants) were false religions all along. Mislead by satans will using altered translations. Here in these last days when truth is needed God fixed things. This whole world will find out that is 100% fact.

First, I have to ask you, before the New World Translation came out in 1971, what Bible did the Jehovah's Witnesses use for the previous 100 years?

Now my response to your comment above.

Servant1, do you understand the depth of your ridiculous comment? Have you any idea what you have stated is absolute nonsense. If we took all Catholics and Protestants out of the picture, all that would remain are Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Shintu's, Creation and Creature lovers, Voodoo worshippers, Witches, cults like Jim Jones, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. It would be a world without the Lord Jesus Christ, who is "God with us." Matthew 1:23.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]


1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

Servant 1, shame on you comparing Abner Keeland to any of the K.J.B. translators. You must have gotten your information from the Watchtower.

Abner Kneeland studied for one year at an academy in Chesterfield, N.H., but then his formal education stopped. Abner and his older brother went into carpentry. He also taught school and wrote a spelling book. By the age of 27 he joined the Baptist church in nearby Putney, Vt., and began to preach. Within three years he converted to Universalism.

Universalism is the doctrine that all people will one day be saved. Hmmm! Sounds like the Catholic church and their teaching on Purgatory.

Abner Kneeland’s blasphemy indictment claimed that he had written frequent, “attacks on Christian doctrine, that god was a figment of the people’s imagination, and that the story of Jesus was a fable.” He also wrote that miracles did not happen and that the idea of eternal life was unreal.

Abner Kneeland is typical of the Watchtowers' weak support concerning their corrupt Bible, the New World Translation.

Why was it necessary for you to slam the Watchtower in this post? You have to get a dig in at that organization whenever you can, and it really, actually didn't jive with the rest of your post, which was about Abner Kneeland.

I have one goal in life, to get one Jehovah's Witness away from that corrupt organization, or to prevent one person from getting drawn into it. That's my goal. If any witness is seeking the truth, or has any doubt, go elsewhere to find it. It will never be found in the N.W.T.

You say that you have relatives that are Jehovah's Witnesses and you are very cordial to them and have dinner with them, and you've even gone to a meeting with them. So now you're saying that your intimacy with them is a sham and that you are looking to get them away from their "corrupt organization"?

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1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

Servant 1, shame on you comparing Abner Keeland to any of the K.J.B. translators. You must have gotten your information from the Watchtower.

Abner Kneeland studied for one year at an academy in Chesterfield, N.H., but then his formal education stopped. Abner and his older brother went into carpentry. He also taught school and wrote a spelling book. By the age of 27 he joined the Baptist church in nearby Putney, Vt., and began to preach. Within three years he converted to Universalism.

Universalism is the doctrine that all people will one day be saved. Hmmm! Sounds like the Catholic church and their teaching on Purgatory.

Abner Kneeland’s blasphemy indictment claimed that he had written frequent, “attacks on Christian doctrine, that god was a figment of the people’s imagination, and that the story of Jesus was a fable.” He also wrote that miracles did not happen and that the idea of eternal life was unreal.

Abner Kneeland is typical of the Watchtowers' weak support concerning their corrupt Bible, the New World Translation.

Why was it necessary for you to slam the Watchtower in this post? You have to get a dig in at that organization whenever you can, and it really, actually didn't jive with the rest of your post, which was about Abner Kneeland.

I have one goal in life, to get one Jehovah's Witness away from that corrupt organization, or to prevent one person from getting drawn into it. That's my goal. If any witness is seeking the truth, or has any doubt, go elsewhere to find it. It will never be found in the N.W.T.

You say that you have relatives that are Jehovah's Witnesses and you are very cordial to them and have dinner with them, and you've even gone to a meeting with them. So now you're saying that your intimacy with them is a sham and that you are looking to get them away from their "corrupt organization"?

I love my family and every Witness that comes knocking on my door. If you were with them, you would also understand how they feel about me. We respect each other, and believe it or not, I do respect how the Witnesses act in public, raise their families, etc. They are polite and never, ever use foul language. But what you do not understand, there are a lot of nice Muslims, Mormons, and atheists in the world that I also respect, but none of these things have anything to do with salvation. Salvation is a faith surrounded by truth, not niceties. Of course, Christians have to be good, live clean lives, live within the bounds that the Lord has established for us; not within lies and corruption.

To deny the Holy Spirit as an individual part of the Godhead is the Witnesses' first great mistake. How am I ever going to agree with a Witness when, against all common sense, and every rule of English, tell us the Holy Spirit is an "It?" Even your Bible states the Holy Spirit is a He.

Quoted from the N.W.T. John 16:13, "He will guide you into all the truth, for "he" will not speak of his own impulse," Yet you continue to deny he does not mean he. Do you have any Idea how foolish that sounds, not only to me, but to any normal English-speaking person, educated or not.

Secondly, if as you claim "he" is the Father's breath, which it is not, why wouldn't he speak of his own impulse, whatever that means? That one verse out of the N.W.T. makes no sense, actually it sounds like an interpretation of a fool. Anyway, that's my take on the subject. My remarks are not meant to be personal attacks, but they are attacks on the corruption coming from the Watchtower.

[onewithhim]

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1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

Servant 1, shame on you comparing Abner Keeland to any of the K.J.B. translators. You must have gotten your information from the Watchtower.

Abner Kneeland studied for one year at an academy in Chesterfield, N.H., but then his formal education stopped. Abner and his older brother went into carpentry. He also taught school and wrote a spelling book. By the age of 27 he joined the Baptist church in nearby Putney, Vt., and began to preach. Within three years he converted to Universalism.

Universalism is the doctrine that all people will one day be saved. Hmmm! Sounds like the Catholic church and their teaching on Purgatory.

Abner Kneeland’s blasphemy indictment claimed that he had written frequent, “attacks on Christian doctrine, that god was a figment of the people’s imagination, and that the story of Jesus was a fable.” He also wrote that miracles did not happen and that the idea of eternal life was unreal.

Abner Kneeland is typical of the Watchtowers' weak support concerning their corrupt Bible, the New World Translation.

Why was it necessary for you to slam the Watchtower in this post? You have to get a dig in at that organization whenever you can, and it really, actually didn't jive with the rest of your post, which was about Abner Kneeland.

I have one goal in life, to get one Jehovah's Witness away from that corrupt organization, or to prevent one person from getting drawn into it. That's my goal. If any witness is seeking the truth, or has any doubt, go elsewhere to find it. It will never be found in the N.W.T.

You say that you have relatives that are Jehovah's Witnesses and you are very cordial to them and have dinner with them, and you've even gone to a meeting with them. So now you're saying that your intimacy with them is a sham and that you are looking to get them away from their "corrupt organization"?

I love my family and every Witness that comes knocking on my door. If you were with them, you would also understand how they feel about me. We respect each other, and believe it or not, I do respect how the Witnesses act in public, raise their families, etc. They are polite and never, ever use foul language. But what you do not understand, there are a lot of nice Muslims, Mormons, and atheists in the world that I also respect, but none of these things have anything to do with salvation. Salvation is a faith surrounded by truth, not niceties. Of course, Christians have to be good, live clean lives, live within the bounds that the Lord has established for us; not within lies and corruption.

To deny the Holy Spirit as an individual part of the Godhead is the Witnesses' first great mistake. How am I ever going to agree with a Witness when, against all common sense, and every rule of English, tell us the Holy Spirit is an "It?" Even your Bible states the Holy Spirit is a He.

In other languages, such as German and Spanish, inanimate objects are referred to as "he" or "she." A lamp is "she." A chair is "he." The inanimate Holy Spirit is "he."

[onewithhim]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]


1822 Abner Kneeland a Greek scholar-non trinitarian, non JW, compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world- a god is correct at John 1:1. 19 other Greek scholars have a god at John 1:1. Its correct.

Servant 1, shame on you comparing Abner Keeland to any of the K.J.B. translators. You must have gotten your information from the Watchtower.

Abner Kneeland studied for one year at an academy in Chesterfield, N.H., but then his formal education stopped. Abner and his older brother went into carpentry. He also taught school and wrote a spelling book. By the age of 27 he joined the Baptist church in nearby Putney, Vt., and began to preach. Within three years he converted to Universalism.

Universalism is the doctrine that all people will one day be saved. Hmmm! Sounds like the Catholic church and their teaching on Purgatory.

Abner Kneeland’s blasphemy indictment claimed that he had written frequent, “attacks on Christian doctrine, that god was a figment of the people’s imagination, and that the story of Jesus was a fable.” He also wrote that miracles did not happen and that the idea of eternal life was unreal.

Abner Kneeland is typical of the Watchtowers' weak support concerning their corrupt Bible, the New World Translation.

Why was it necessary for you to slam the Watchtower in this post? You have to get a dig in at that organization whenever you can, and it really, actually didn't jive with the rest of your post, which was about Abner Kneeland.

I have one goal in life, to get one Jehovah's Witness away from that corrupt organization, or to prevent one person from getting drawn into it. That's my goal. If any witness is seeking the truth, or has any doubt, go elsewhere to find it. It will never be found in the N.W.T.

You say that you have relatives that are Jehovah's Witnesses and you are very cordial to them and have dinner with them, and you've even gone to a meeting with them. So now you're saying that your intimacy with them is a sham and that you are looking to get them away from their "corrupt organization"?

I love my family and every Witness that comes knocking on my door. If you were with them, you would also understand how they feel about me. We respect each other, and believe it or not, I do respect how the Witnesses act in public, raise their families, etc. They are polite and never, ever use foul language. But what you do not understand, there are a lot of nice Muslims, Mormons, and atheists in the world that I also respect, but none of these things have anything to do with salvation. Salvation is a faith surrounded by truth, not niceties. Of course, Christians have to be good, live clean lives, live within the bounds that the Lord has established for us; not within lies and corruption.

To deny the Holy Spirit as an individual part of the Godhead is the Witnesses' first great mistake. How am I ever going to agree with a Witness when, against all common sense, and every rule of English, tell us the Holy Spirit is an "It?" Even your Bible states the Holy Spirit is a He.

Quoted from the N.W.T. John 16:13, "He will guide you into all the truth, for "he" will not speak of his own impulse," Yet you continue to deny he does not mean he. Do you have any Idea how foolish that sounds, not only to me, but to any normal English-speaking person, educated or not.

Secondly, if as you claim "he" is the Father's breath, which it is not, why wouldn't he speak of his own impulse, whatever that means?

Jehovah IS speaking of His own impulse---through His "breath," His Holy Spirit.