When was the Gospel of Matthew really written?

[polonius]

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/jewishtemple.htm

The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew

The Gospel According to Matthew (Greek: Τὸ κατὰ Ματθαῖον ε�αγγέλιον, translit. Tò katà Matthaīon euangélion; also called the Gospel of Matthew or simply, Matthew) is the first book of the New Testament and one of the three synoptic gospels. It tells how the Messiah, Jesus, rejected by Israel, finally sends the disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world.[1] Most scholars believe it was composed between AD 80 and 90, with a range of possibility between AD 70 to 110 (a pre-70 date remains a minority view).[2][3] The anonymous author was probably a male Jew,

The gospel we call Matthew's was written anonymously about 80 A.D. In approximately 135 A.D., Papias, an early and not too reliable a Church Father, named it Matthew's and the name stuck.

It claims that Jesus foresaw the destruction of the Temple, but since this gospel was written about 80 AD, or about 10 years after the event, it isn't a convincing prophecy fulfillment.

When compared with the other Gospels and history itself, Matthew's gospel contains a number of contradictions.

[polonius]

For the kingdom posted:

polonius.advice wrote:

When compared with the other Gospels and history itself, Matthew's gospel contains a number of contradictions.


All of which have been answered.

RESPONSE: Are you serious? Lets start with just these few.

Did Jesus send for and ride one animal (it) when entering Jerusalem as reported by Mark, Luke, and John, or did he send for and ride two animals (them) so Matthew could fulfill a prophecy, but Matthew misunderstood?

Did the prophets say Jesus was to be called a Nazarene? Please give the scriptural citation for this prophecy?

Did Jeremiah say that Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver as Matthew reports?

Was Jesus really born in a manger or Joseph's house?

Did Jesus fulfill the prophecy that he would be born in Bethlehem or only of the tribe of David?

etc. etc.

And whatever happened to all those people who were raised from the dead when Jesus was crucified? Remember, according to Paul, a man can die but once. So where are they all now?

And did the Second Coming occur while "some of those standing there" were still alive?

And have you ever noticed that nowhere in the gospel we call Matthew's does Jesus or an apostle speak to Matthew, or does he speak to them. Doesn't that seriously suggest that he was never there?

[polonius]

Gospel of Matthew
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The anonymous author of Matthew was probably a male Jew, standing on the margin between traditional and non-traditional Jewish values, and familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture being debated in his time.[4] The majority of modern scholars believe that Mark was the first gospel to be composed and that Matthew (who includes some 600 of Mark's 661 verses) and Luke both drew upon it as a major source for their works

http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/0
The ancient tradition that the author was the disciple and apostle of Jesus named Matthew (see Mt 10:3) is untenable because the gospel is based, in large part, on the Gospel according to Mark (almost all the verses of that gospel have been utilized in this), and it is hardly likely that a companion of Jesus would have followed so extensively an account that came from one who admittedly never had such an association rather than rely on his own memories.

[brianbbs67]

For full disclosure , Mathew draws from Mark and another source Q(reminds me of Star Trek), as he has been named. The original title of Mathew was "The Sayings of Jesus Christ". This NT is rife with problems of authorship. As sketchy as they are, why is not the Gospel of the Hebrews(or the Gospel of Peter) included? Same could be said of the "Apocalypse of Peter" or the "Gospel of Thomas". Realistically, we have to ,first look to God. And second, remember who put this together. And their agenda.

[polonius]

For full disclosure , Mathew draws from Mark and another source Q(reminds me of Star Trek), as he has been named. The original title of Mathew was "The Sayings of Jesus Christ". This NT is rife with problems of authorship. As sketchy as they are, why is not the Gospel of the Hebrews(or the Gospel of Peter) included? Same could be said of the "Apocalypse of Peter" or the "Gospel of Thomas". Realistically, we have to ,first look to God. And second, remember who put this together. And their agenda.

RESPONSE: Common sense, well said!

[For_The_Kingdom]

RESPONSE: Are you serious? Lets start with just these few.

Did Jesus send for and ride one animal (it) when entering Jerusalem as reported by Mark, Luke, and John, or did he send for and ride two animals (them) so Matthew could fulfill a prophecy, but Matthew misunderstood?

Matt Slick...from www.carm.org answers this beautifully...

There is no contradiction. Matthew 21:2-7 tells us that there was both a donkey and a colt. Mark and Luke focus on the colt only and mention that no one had ever sat upon it. Mark and Luke are focusing on this detail while Matthew focuses on the prophetic fulfillment (Matthew 21:4-5). Logically, if there are two animals, then there is also, at least, one animal. To say there was one does not mean there weren't two. This is not a verbal game. It is an issue of logic.

Did the prophets say Jesus was to be called a Nazarene? Please give the scriptural citation for this prophecy?

Matt Slick also provides a possible explanation to this...here..

https://carm.org/did-ot-prophesy-jesus-coming-nazareth

Did Jeremiah say that Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver as Matthew reports?

Gotquestions.org deals with this..

https://www.gotquestions.org/Zechariah- ... ianic.html

A seeming difficulty is the fact that Matthew attributes the prophecy to Jeremiah, not Zechariah. The explanation is two-fold. First, Jeremiah also bought a field at the Lord’s command (Jeremiah 32:6-9). Second, the Hebrew Bible was divided into three sections: the Law, the Writings, and the Prophets. The Prophets began with Jeremiah, and it was common for people to refer to the whole section (which included Zechariah) as “the book of Jeremiah.�

Was Jesus really born in a manger or Joseph's house?

https://www.housetohouse.com/jesus-born ... luke-says/

Did Jesus fulfill the prophecy that he would be born in Bethlehem or only of the tribe of David?

A tribe is not a location.

And whatever happened to all those people who were raised from the dead when Jesus was crucified?

The Bible doesn't say.

Remember, according to Paul, a man can die but once. So where are they all now?

The Bible doesn't say.

And did the Second Coming occur while "some of those standing there" were still alive?

Elaborate.

And have you ever noticed that nowhere in the gospel we call Matthew's does Jesus or an apostle speak to Matthew, or does he speak to them. Doesn't that seriously suggest that he was never there?

Hmmm..

Matthew 9:9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,� he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

I repeat: Hmmm...

[For_The_Kingdom]

For full disclosure , Mathew draws from Mark and another source Q(reminds me of Star Trek), as he has been named. The original title of Mathew was "The Sayings of Jesus Christ".

"The Sayings of Jesus Christ" <---presupposes Jesus Christ, right?

This NT is rife with problems of authorship. As sketchy as they are, why is not the Gospel of the Hebrews(or the Gospel of Peter) included?

That is like asking "Why is not every single Michael Jackson song included on his Greatest Hits album?"

Because not every song is considered a "greatest hit", that is why. The Biblical Gospels; we don't have a history of the early Church bickering about which of the books were inspired and should be considered sacred/holy.

However, we do have a history of the early Church questioning the Gospel of Peter, though...for more reasons than one.

Not every book that was titled "Gospel of X" made the Billboard charts.

[brianbbs67]

For full disclosure , Mathew draws from Mark and another source Q(reminds me of Star Trek), as he has been named. The original title of Mathew was "The Sayings of Jesus Christ".

"The Sayings of Jesus Christ" <---presupposes Jesus Christ, right? Yes no problem there.

This NT is rife with problems of authorship. As sketchy as they are, why is not the Gospel of the Hebrews(or the Gospel of Peter) included?

That is like asking "Why is not every single Michael Jackson song included on his Greatest Hits album?"

Because not every song is considered a "greatest hit", that is why. The Biblical Gospels; we don't have a history of the early Church bickering about which of the books were inspired and should be considered sacred/holy.

However, we do have a history of the early Church questioning the Gospel of Peter, though...for more reasons than one.

Not every book that was titled "Gospel of X" made the Billboard charts.

YEs and no. Since Billboard is involved, If I really liked a band, I bought all the music, not just the parts that fit. Regardless. As I am sure many young people did.

[polonius]

For the Kingdom posted:

There is no contradiction. Matthew 21:2-7 tells us that there was both a donkey and a colt. Mark and Luke focus on the colt only and mention that no one had ever sat upon it. Mark and Luke are focusing on this detail while Matthew focuses on the prophetic fulfillment (Matthew 21:4-5). Logically, if there are two animals, then there is also, at least, one animal. To say there was one does not mean there weren't two. This is not a verbal game. It is an issue of logic.

RESPONSE: It is always interesting to read the argument of those who try to convince us that the bible is inerrant.

1. The plain meaning of words. Mark, Luke, and John report only one animal (“It� is always singular. ) Matthew claims two animals ( “Them� is always pleural).

2. Kingdom tells us that if there were two animals there was at least one animal. In Mathew’s account we are talking at two animals so Jesus a fulfill a prophecy. It’s not “an issue of logic,� it’s an issue of the plain meaning of words.

3. Matthew misquotes the prophecy as:

“Tell the daughter of Zion,
Look, your king is coming to you,
humble, and mounted on a donkey,
and on a colt, the foal of a donkey.�

4. (NAB) * [21:4–5] The prophet: this fulfillment citation is actually composed of two distinct Old Testament texts,

Is 62:11 (Say to daughter Zion) and Zec 9:9. The ass and the colt are the same animal in the prophecy, mentioned twice in different ways, the common Hebrew literary device of poetic parallelism. That Matthew takes them as two is one of the reasons why some scholars think that he was a Gentile rather than a Jewish Christian who would presumably not make that mistake

5. Matthew misunderstands the prophecy using the word “And� in his gospel. There is no “and� in the prophecy that Matthew tries to fulfill with his gospel..

“Go into the village ahead of you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her; untie them and bring them to me. 3 If anyone says anything to you, just say this, ‘The Lord needs them.’ And he will send them immediately.[a]� 4 This took place to fulfill what had been spoken through the prophet, saying,

6.“Tell the daughter of Zion,
Look, your king is coming to you,
humble, and mounted on a donkey,
and on a colt, the foal of a donkey.�

7. The disciples went and did as Jesus had directed them; 7 they brought the donkey and the colt, and put their cloaks on them, and he sat on them. 8 A very large crowd spread their cloaks on the road, and others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 The crowds that went ahead of him and that followed were shouting,

To be continued. Lets look at all the blunders.

[polonius]

For the kingdom tells us:

A seeming difficulty is the fact that Matthew attributes the prophecy to Jeremiah, not Zechariah. The explanation is two-fold. First, Jeremiah also bought a field at the Lord’s command (Jeremiah 32:6-9). Second, the Hebrew Bible was divided into three sections: the Law, the Writings, and the Prophets. The Prophets began with Jeremiah, and it was common for people to refer to the whole section (which included Zechariah) as “the book of Jeremiah.�

“First, we are not to accuse Matthew with making a mistake. The apostle was inspired of God; he did not err.�

Then didn't God inspire Matthew incorrectly, since there is a clear blunder here?
So much for the inerrancy of scripture.

“Second, we are not to change the biblical text (e.g., deleting “Jeremiah,� and substituting “Zechariah�), in an attempt to help Matthew, when the manuscript evidence warrants no alteration. In this passage, as Metzger observes “the reading [Jeremiah] is firmly established� (1971, 66).�

4. Zechariah: (12-14) The shepherd is paid with contempt.

Then I said to them, “If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.� So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter�; that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD for the potter. Then I cut in two my other staff, Bonds, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Note: Zechariah is talking about a wage dispute here, not the betrayal of Jesus.


To be continued

[polonius]

polonius.advice wrote:

Remember, according to Paul, a man can die but once. So where are they all now?[/quote]

For the Kingdom posted:

The Bible doesn't say.

Paul, Hebrews 9:29 “Just as it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment,�

So now where are all those people who were raised from the dead and visited many in Jerusalem (see Matthew's gospel) Inspired and inerrant?

To be continued.