This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.
First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.
Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?
What's wrong with being gay?
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Re: What's wrong with being gay?
Post #381For thousands of years since Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, sodomy/homosexuality has always been UNLAWFUL (Deut. 23:17), carrying the death-penalty (Leviticus 20:13), and also regarded as immoral. At least until the last generation, when man has had the AUDACITY, not only to make it legal, but to try to make it acceptable, if not compulsory, and it is now also rapidly becoming illegal to be a man.
Despite the widespread indoctrination efforts, there are still some who KNOW homosexuality is wrong, and that what's going on with the public restrooms has absolutely nothing to do with civil rights and everything to do with taking the next calculated step to completely pervert society. What's next? “Legalizing” paedophilia? The satanic programming has been so extensive and so relentless that most people are now terrified to admit homosexuality is UNLAWFUL (i.e. CRIMINAL) in public, for fear of sounding politically incorrect or being viewed by others as an intolerant bigot.
Congratulations! The satanic programming is working precisely as planned.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “HOMOPHOBIA”*, which is a made-up term to condemn rationally-minded individuals who can still discern between right and wrong and who are NOT afraid to take a stand against criminal behavior. Homosexuality IS a capital crime, and so is having one's body mutilated to try to change its gender. Similarly, those who accept, support and defend this criminal behavior are accomplices and thus are criminals committing a capital offence as well (Deut. 17:11-13). And contrary to what most have been wrongly taught in this lunatic asylum, criminals do NOT get to make up their own rules, as everyone should intuitively know.
* Which T.H.E.Y. (The Hierarchy Enslaving YOU) define as an “irrational” fear of sodomites.
Perhaps there are some who don't realize the extent of the efforts that have been made to undermine society. The general public has been PROGRAMMED for decades through television, media and film, which are constantly pushing the envelope of what is sexually acceptable to establish a “new normal”. Prior to 1973, the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual (DSM) of Mental Disorders included homosexuality among the list of sociopathic, sexually-deviant mental disorders. It was not through scientific or medical research, but through a relentless and heavily-funded lobbying effort, that homosexuality was removed from the DSM.
So just how did 1% (or LESS) of the population manage to fund the lobbying campaign and persuade Congress to legislate the de-listing of homosexuality as a sociopathic, sexually-deviant mental disorder in a psychiatric manual? How is it possible to make such a change solely on the basis of political persuasion instead of scientific and medical research? It couldn't have been done without willing participants inside the government and lots of money.
At the highest levels of government, homosexuality is rampant.
Despite the widespread indoctrination efforts, there are still some who KNOW homosexuality is wrong, and that what's going on with the public restrooms has absolutely nothing to do with civil rights and everything to do with taking the next calculated step to completely pervert society. What's next? “Legalizing” paedophilia? The satanic programming has been so extensive and so relentless that most people are now terrified to admit homosexuality is UNLAWFUL (i.e. CRIMINAL) in public, for fear of sounding politically incorrect or being viewed by others as an intolerant bigot.
Congratulations! The satanic programming is working precisely as planned.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “HOMOPHOBIA”*, which is a made-up term to condemn rationally-minded individuals who can still discern between right and wrong and who are NOT afraid to take a stand against criminal behavior. Homosexuality IS a capital crime, and so is having one's body mutilated to try to change its gender. Similarly, those who accept, support and defend this criminal behavior are accomplices and thus are criminals committing a capital offence as well (Deut. 17:11-13). And contrary to what most have been wrongly taught in this lunatic asylum, criminals do NOT get to make up their own rules, as everyone should intuitively know.
* Which T.H.E.Y. (The Hierarchy Enslaving YOU) define as an “irrational” fear of sodomites.
Perhaps there are some who don't realize the extent of the efforts that have been made to undermine society. The general public has been PROGRAMMED for decades through television, media and film, which are constantly pushing the envelope of what is sexually acceptable to establish a “new normal”. Prior to 1973, the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual (DSM) of Mental Disorders included homosexuality among the list of sociopathic, sexually-deviant mental disorders. It was not through scientific or medical research, but through a relentless and heavily-funded lobbying effort, that homosexuality was removed from the DSM.
So just how did 1% (or LESS) of the population manage to fund the lobbying campaign and persuade Congress to legislate the de-listing of homosexuality as a sociopathic, sexually-deviant mental disorder in a psychiatric manual? How is it possible to make such a change solely on the basis of political persuasion instead of scientific and medical research? It couldn't have been done without willing participants inside the government and lots of money.
At the highest levels of government, homosexuality is rampant.
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Re: What's wrong with being gay?
Post #382Homosexuality is NOT normal and the truth is it's hurting EVERYONE. It is totally UNNATURAL (i.e. it goes AGAINST nature) as should be self-evident from the fact that homosexual “sex” cannot produce offspring. Homosexuality is also the source of a multitude of life-shortening illnesses. In other animals, these two facts are what keep the defective, sick and inferior animals in check. But in human animals, where the human-animal urges are supposed to be controlled by spiritual reasoning and God-given common-sense, these traits are not only being allowed but encouraged. Allowing homosexuality does incalculable harm to children, to society in general and to the homosexuals themselves regardless of what lies may be promoted by the government through legislation and the media. Please consider these well-documented FACTS for yourselves:
Links between homosexuality and paedophilia:
• 33% of homosexuals admit to minor/adult sex (having sex with children)
• NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) is an overt, in-your-face homosexual child molestation organization with THOUSANDS of members
• 33% of all reported child molestations are committed by homosexuals, which make up roughly 1% of the total population. That means that a homosexual is 50 times more likely to be a child molester than a heterosexual.
• 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under the age of 19.
Source: Homosexuality and Its Negative Effects on Society
Homosexual Health Care Costs Borne by Society
NEW YORK – The government’s own statistics affirm that LGBT citizens are responsible for an enormously disproportionate share of health care costs, which now will be placed on the backs of healthy citizens under the Affordable Health Care Act, known commonly as Obamacare.
• over 60% of all HIV/AIDS infections are caused by homosexual acts
• the published estimated lifetime cost of treating AIDS in 2014: $450,000 each
• over 60% of all syphilis cases are homosexual
• 17% of all hospital admissions
Source: Stats Don't Lie: Gay Health Costs Coming Your Way
Understanding the Homosexual Lifestyle
• One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners.
• One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year . The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
• Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting.
• Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior”.
Homosexuality is unquestionably a VERY unhealthy lifestyle and has historically accounted for the bulk of HIV/AIDS infections, syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus.
Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries.
The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75.
The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79.
Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident.
Sources: Homosexuality and Its Negative Effects on Society
The connection between homosexuality and violent crime
Links between homosexuality and paedophilia:
• 33% of homosexuals admit to minor/adult sex (having sex with children)
• NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) is an overt, in-your-face homosexual child molestation organization with THOUSANDS of members
• 33% of all reported child molestations are committed by homosexuals, which make up roughly 1% of the total population. That means that a homosexual is 50 times more likely to be a child molester than a heterosexual.
• 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under the age of 19.
Source: Homosexuality and Its Negative Effects on Society
Homosexual Health Care Costs Borne by Society
NEW YORK – The government’s own statistics affirm that LGBT citizens are responsible for an enormously disproportionate share of health care costs, which now will be placed on the backs of healthy citizens under the Affordable Health Care Act, known commonly as Obamacare.
• over 60% of all HIV/AIDS infections are caused by homosexual acts
• the published estimated lifetime cost of treating AIDS in 2014: $450,000 each
• over 60% of all syphilis cases are homosexual
• 17% of all hospital admissions
Source: Stats Don't Lie: Gay Health Costs Coming Your Way
Understanding the Homosexual Lifestyle
• One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners.
• One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year . The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
• Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting.
• Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior”.
Homosexuality is unquestionably a VERY unhealthy lifestyle and has historically accounted for the bulk of HIV/AIDS infections, syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus.
Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries.
The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75.
The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79.
Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident.
Sources: Homosexuality and Its Negative Effects on Society
The connection between homosexuality and violent crime
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Re: What's wrong with being gay?
Post #383Let's see how much you know about the legislation in Leviticus and Deuteronomy . How many actions are classed as abominations?A Freeman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 4:13 am
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt NOT lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [homosexuality] [is] ABOMINATION.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall SURELY be put to DEATH; their blood [shall be] upon them.
The same goes for “cross-dressing” (including altering a male body into a female one or vice-versa), or any other role-swapping, gender confusion, etc., all of which is against The Law.
Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall NOT wear that which pertaineth unto a man, NEITHER SHALL A MAN PUT ON A WOMAN'S GARMENT: for all that do so [are] ABOMINATION unto the "I AM" thy God.
Are you sure you don't commit some of them?
In any event I don't think that you keep all 613 laws of Moses.....true?
Well then!
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Post #384There is no "legislation" in God's Law. In fact, The Law strictly prohibits mankind from "legislating", i.e. making up their own rules.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.
Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all [the things] that we do here this day, every man whatsoever [is] right in his own eyes.
Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Legislating -- i.e. attempting to "legalize" that which is UNLAWFUL (criminal), and make what is lawful "illegal" -- is also a capital crime.
Deuteronomy 17:11-13
17:11 According to The Sentence of The Law which they shall teach thee, and according to the Judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline to do The Sentence which they shall show thee, and turn not away from it [to] the right hand, nor [to] the left.
17:12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the "I AM" thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and [thus] thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
17:13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously (in thinking they are a law unto themselves).
It is estimated that currently, in the United States alone, there are over 3,000,000 made-up rules, policies, procedures, statutes, "codes" and other pieces of unlawful legislation at the local, state and federal level.
There is no way that one individual could read all of these made-up rules in ten lifetimes, much less one, even if they read them 24 hours/day, 365 days/year for hundreds of years. For those who haven't set foot inside of a "law" library, some of them are large buildings filled with thousands upon thousands of volumes of legislative measures, rules, procedures, opinions and case precedents. How could any judge possibly know all of these rules, and which ones supersede or contradict the others, given the irrefutable fact that no one could possibly read all of these rules, none of which are law?
The simple answer is they don't know, which is why they make it up as they go along, adding to the case precedents and the confusion.
In stark contrast, God's Law can easily be read in a week, which includes not only His Commandments, Statutes and Judgments,, but also the perfect agricultural policy the perfect economic policy and the perfect healthy diet, on top of the historical information about the Israelite tribes, which today populate the Israelite nations of the world (which includes the U.K., U.S., Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, Northern France, Celtic Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Scandinavia and the Baltic states and Gibraltar, i.e. the English-speaking nations of the world.
For more information on the current whereabouts of the Israelite tribes, please see:
The Abrahamic Covenant; and
The Scriptural Marks of True Israel
18th century English jurist William Blackstone said: “No enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God.”
We have been living in slavery under these man-made rules and legislation, which should help explain the accelerating moral rot we have witnessed over time -- including the promotion of homosexuality, "trans"-genderism and paedophilia. It's also why the cost of living keeps going up and up, while wages remain stagnant or in decline. The term "employee" is nothing more than a modern-day word for slave.
The ONLY Solution to ALL of these problems is to return to our Creator's Perfect Law, found only in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. There is no other way for their to be TRUE Freedom and Justice for ALL. And that includes freedom from the abominable and immoral behaviour that we are plagued with today, e.g. sodomy, because of all of this unlawful man-made "legislation". Man-made legislation that has also "legalized" theft in the form of taxes, immorality in the form of alleged equality, and mass-murder in the form of war, vaccines and pharmacy.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.
Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all [the things] that we do here this day, every man whatsoever [is] right in his own eyes.
Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Legislating -- i.e. attempting to "legalize" that which is UNLAWFUL (criminal), and make what is lawful "illegal" -- is also a capital crime.
Deuteronomy 17:11-13
17:11 According to The Sentence of The Law which they shall teach thee, and according to the Judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline to do The Sentence which they shall show thee, and turn not away from it [to] the right hand, nor [to] the left.
17:12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the "I AM" thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and [thus] thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
17:13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously (in thinking they are a law unto themselves).
It is estimated that currently, in the United States alone, there are over 3,000,000 made-up rules, policies, procedures, statutes, "codes" and other pieces of unlawful legislation at the local, state and federal level.
There is no way that one individual could read all of these made-up rules in ten lifetimes, much less one, even if they read them 24 hours/day, 365 days/year for hundreds of years. For those who haven't set foot inside of a "law" library, some of them are large buildings filled with thousands upon thousands of volumes of legislative measures, rules, procedures, opinions and case precedents. How could any judge possibly know all of these rules, and which ones supersede or contradict the others, given the irrefutable fact that no one could possibly read all of these rules, none of which are law?
The simple answer is they don't know, which is why they make it up as they go along, adding to the case precedents and the confusion.
In stark contrast, God's Law can easily be read in a week, which includes not only His Commandments, Statutes and Judgments,, but also the perfect agricultural policy the perfect economic policy and the perfect healthy diet, on top of the historical information about the Israelite tribes, which today populate the Israelite nations of the world (which includes the U.K., U.S., Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, Northern France, Celtic Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Scandinavia and the Baltic states and Gibraltar, i.e. the English-speaking nations of the world.
For more information on the current whereabouts of the Israelite tribes, please see:
The Abrahamic Covenant; and
The Scriptural Marks of True Israel
18th century English jurist William Blackstone said: “No enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God.”
We have been living in slavery under these man-made rules and legislation, which should help explain the accelerating moral rot we have witnessed over time -- including the promotion of homosexuality, "trans"-genderism and paedophilia. It's also why the cost of living keeps going up and up, while wages remain stagnant or in decline. The term "employee" is nothing more than a modern-day word for slave.
The ONLY Solution to ALL of these problems is to return to our Creator's Perfect Law, found only in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. There is no other way for their to be TRUE Freedom and Justice for ALL. And that includes freedom from the abominable and immoral behaviour that we are plagued with today, e.g. sodomy, because of all of this unlawful man-made "legislation". Man-made legislation that has also "legalized" theft in the form of taxes, immorality in the form of alleged equality, and mass-murder in the form of war, vaccines and pharmacy.
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Post #385You do not understand.A Freeman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 26, 2025 8:15 am There is no "legislation" in God's Law. In fact, The Law strictly prohibits mankind from "legislating", i.e. making up their own rules.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.
Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all [the things] that we do here this day, every man whatsoever [is] right in his own eyes.
Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Legislating -- i.e. attempting to "legalize" that which is UNLAWFUL (criminal), and make what is lawful "illegal" -- is also a capital crime.
Deuteronomy 17:11-13
17:11 According to The Sentence of The Law which they shall teach thee, and according to the Judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline to do The Sentence which they shall show thee, and turn not away from it [to] the right hand, nor [to] the left.
17:12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the "I AM" thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and [thus] thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
17:13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously (in thinking they are a law unto themselves).
Leviticus IS legislation.
Deuteronomy IS a second reading (with additions) to the law.
And I don't think you keep those laws, am I right?
You've just cherry picked the ones that support your prejudices....yes?
I'll bet that you have diminished them!
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Post #386Definition below from:
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik
legislation /lĕj″ĭ-slā′shən/
noun
The act or process of legislating; lawmaking. A proposed or enacted law or group of laws. The act of legislating; preparation and enactment of laws; the laws enacted. Law which has been enacted by legislature or other governing body. Law enacted by a legislative body. The act of making or enacting laws.
And again, as 18th century English jurist William Blackstone correctly stated:
“No enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God.”
Where in God's Law did God give mankind the right to legislate, i.e. to make up or enact laws?
NOWHERE.
In fact, as already cited in previous posts, God's Law expressly prohibited mankind from legislating under penalty of death.
In reality, God's Law IS The ONLY Law there is on this planet.
God's Law defines what is right and wrong in His Eyes, which is why His National, Moral Law will NEVER change (Matt. 5:17-20).
Everyone can and must learn keep God's Law, which eliminates adultery, pharmacy, homosexuality, paedophilia, poverty and crime, IF it is kept.
And anyone who foolishly attempts to argue against God's Law, or pretend that we cannot keep His Law, must believe that God is an idiot, and/or a tyrant, both of which are utterly ridiculous. WITH God, anyone can keep The Law.
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God ALL things are possible.
And those that continue to do sin/do evil/break God's Law will perish in The Fire, exactly as we've been repeatedly warned for thousands of years.
Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and ALL that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I COMMANDED unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 4:1 above, for details of the curse).
Which, of course, includes any and all abominable behaviour, including homosexuality.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik
legislation /lĕj″ĭ-slā′shən/
noun
The act or process of legislating; lawmaking. A proposed or enacted law or group of laws. The act of legislating; preparation and enactment of laws; the laws enacted. Law which has been enacted by legislature or other governing body. Law enacted by a legislative body. The act of making or enacting laws.
And again, as 18th century English jurist William Blackstone correctly stated:
“No enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God.”
Where in God's Law did God give mankind the right to legislate, i.e. to make up or enact laws?
NOWHERE.
In fact, as already cited in previous posts, God's Law expressly prohibited mankind from legislating under penalty of death.
In reality, God's Law IS The ONLY Law there is on this planet.
God's Law defines what is right and wrong in His Eyes, which is why His National, Moral Law will NEVER change (Matt. 5:17-20).
Everyone can and must learn keep God's Law, which eliminates adultery, pharmacy, homosexuality, paedophilia, poverty and crime, IF it is kept.
And anyone who foolishly attempts to argue against God's Law, or pretend that we cannot keep His Law, must believe that God is an idiot, and/or a tyrant, both of which are utterly ridiculous. WITH God, anyone can keep The Law.
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God ALL things are possible.
And those that continue to do sin/do evil/break God's Law will perish in The Fire, exactly as we've been repeatedly warned for thousands of years.
Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and ALL that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I COMMANDED unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 4:1 above, for details of the curse).
Which, of course, includes any and all abominable behaviour, including homosexuality.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Post #387[Replying to A Freeman in post #382]
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Post #388Even with all of this physical evidence, there are some who will argue that certain people are just “wired” differently from birth, suggesting homosexuality, cross-dressing, etc. isn't a free-will choice, which is a LIE. Free-will, to choose between good and evil, is a God-given right that everyone has (Deut. 30:15-20). If a spirit-being inside a male body seems effeminate, or a spirit-being inside a female body seems masculine, it is because that is exactly the lesson and test that particular spirit-being needs to face and OVERCOME. Giving-in to sexual perversion and depravity is going backwards spiritually (see: 1 Corinthians 11:3), and the difficulty with that is we are all rapidly running out of time.
Unfortunately we've been programmed over thousands of Earth years and many human lifetimes by Satan to think that we are “only human after all”(Gen. 3:5) which, coming from Satan, is a LIE. We are in fact spiritual-beings that are temporarily incarcerated/incarnated inside of these human-animal bodies, to learn how to control them. Learning to control the human body means learning to work with nature and God to serve everyone else selflessly, as Christ does.
From “The Way home or face The Fire” by JAH, p. 32:-
“6:24 A queer is a relatively new man (a spirit-being who has been in female bodies through most or all of their previous incarnations), who decides that being a man is too difficult, and so, decides to try to be a woman, in a man’s body. Some even go to the extent of having themselves surgically-castrated, “voluntarily” (Deut. 23:1), and they will be punished, accordingly.
6:25 You can NOT go backwards; you are all under the shadow of the DEATH-SENTENCE; your only escape is forwards (John 3:18).
6:26 It was easy to destroy the queers/sodomites/homosexuals, in Sodom, because they were all concentrated in one place, and God could easily remove Lot and his family, and then destroy Sodom, without hurting any innocent people. Today, it is so widespread and intermixed with “normal” society, that God can not blast just them, without hurting too many innocent (?) people, so He has sent AIDS (Leviticus 20:13)(Romans 1:27).
6:27 Open your eyes and see the signs, and turn around, before it is TOO late.”
Satan's goal is to subvert, pervert and ultimately destroy everything natural and beautiful that God has made, in an attempt to get us to believe that up is down, good is allegedly evil and the truth is supposedly a lie (and vice-versa – Isaiah 5:20). Satan is using our egos and human-animal bodies (Romans 8:5-8), particularly those of the spiritually wicked who are in high places (government and their money/puppet masters), to do his dirty-work and there are few things more filthy and disgusting than homosexuality. That's why God refers to it as an ABOMINATION (Leviticus 18:22) and why homosexuality is a capital offense (Leviticus 20:13). If a spirit-being/soul has so completely lost control of the body being used, that it's allowed to exercise whatever perverted unnatural LUST comes into its mind, then the very best and most loving thing for that spirit-being would be to start over again in a new body.
That's not only the most loving thing for the corrupted spirit-being inside that wretched human-animal body, but it's also the most loving thing for everyone else, as it preserves the family unit and values that God has NATURALLY given us, and which are exemplified throughout our natural surroundings. It promotes good and discourages evil, which is totally unselfish and thus ALWAYS benefits everyone. God IS Love.
But even on a superficial human level it should be obvious that homosexuality is terribly wrong. How can one possibly claim it does no harm, when homosexuals prey on children, rapidly and often knowingly spread diseases throughout society and then expect others to pay for their unhealthy lifestyle choices? And what about the impact their lifestyles have on their own expected lifespans? How could any reasonable person claim to care about someone whose irresponsible behavior shortens their own life by 45-50%? That isn't caring or understanding at all; that is nothing more than someone's ego desperately trying to be accepted by others, by taking what is wrongly thought to be a “progressive” view (degenerate really) on the subject of homosexuality.
The ego ALWAYS thinks it knows better than The King Ruler of the Universe (God, our Creator and heavenly Father) and it is ALWAYS wrong.
Unfortunately we've been programmed over thousands of Earth years and many human lifetimes by Satan to think that we are “only human after all”(Gen. 3:5) which, coming from Satan, is a LIE. We are in fact spiritual-beings that are temporarily incarcerated/incarnated inside of these human-animal bodies, to learn how to control them. Learning to control the human body means learning to work with nature and God to serve everyone else selflessly, as Christ does.
From “The Way home or face The Fire” by JAH, p. 32:-
“6:24 A queer is a relatively new man (a spirit-being who has been in female bodies through most or all of their previous incarnations), who decides that being a man is too difficult, and so, decides to try to be a woman, in a man’s body. Some even go to the extent of having themselves surgically-castrated, “voluntarily” (Deut. 23:1), and they will be punished, accordingly.
6:25 You can NOT go backwards; you are all under the shadow of the DEATH-SENTENCE; your only escape is forwards (John 3:18).
6:26 It was easy to destroy the queers/sodomites/homosexuals, in Sodom, because they were all concentrated in one place, and God could easily remove Lot and his family, and then destroy Sodom, without hurting any innocent people. Today, it is so widespread and intermixed with “normal” society, that God can not blast just them, without hurting too many innocent (?) people, so He has sent AIDS (Leviticus 20:13)(Romans 1:27).
6:27 Open your eyes and see the signs, and turn around, before it is TOO late.”
Satan's goal is to subvert, pervert and ultimately destroy everything natural and beautiful that God has made, in an attempt to get us to believe that up is down, good is allegedly evil and the truth is supposedly a lie (and vice-versa – Isaiah 5:20). Satan is using our egos and human-animal bodies (Romans 8:5-8), particularly those of the spiritually wicked who are in high places (government and their money/puppet masters), to do his dirty-work and there are few things more filthy and disgusting than homosexuality. That's why God refers to it as an ABOMINATION (Leviticus 18:22) and why homosexuality is a capital offense (Leviticus 20:13). If a spirit-being/soul has so completely lost control of the body being used, that it's allowed to exercise whatever perverted unnatural LUST comes into its mind, then the very best and most loving thing for that spirit-being would be to start over again in a new body.
That's not only the most loving thing for the corrupted spirit-being inside that wretched human-animal body, but it's also the most loving thing for everyone else, as it preserves the family unit and values that God has NATURALLY given us, and which are exemplified throughout our natural surroundings. It promotes good and discourages evil, which is totally unselfish and thus ALWAYS benefits everyone. God IS Love.
But even on a superficial human level it should be obvious that homosexuality is terribly wrong. How can one possibly claim it does no harm, when homosexuals prey on children, rapidly and often knowingly spread diseases throughout society and then expect others to pay for their unhealthy lifestyle choices? And what about the impact their lifestyles have on their own expected lifespans? How could any reasonable person claim to care about someone whose irresponsible behavior shortens their own life by 45-50%? That isn't caring or understanding at all; that is nothing more than someone's ego desperately trying to be accepted by others, by taking what is wrongly thought to be a “progressive” view (degenerate really) on the subject of homosexuality.
The ego ALWAYS thinks it knows better than The King Ruler of the Universe (God, our Creator and heavenly Father) and it is ALWAYS wrong.
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Re: What's wrong with being gay?
Post #389[Replying to A Freeman in post #388]
https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/o ... ted-causes
All those innocent people being hurt is a pretty hamfisted thing to blame on God, isn't it?
You've posted about a "spirit-being/soul" in a "human-animal body". Do spirit-beings/souls inhabit exclusively animal bodies? I ask because same-sex pairings have been observed in many animal species, even when opposite-sex mates of the same species have been available.
In contrast, child molesters often exert power and control over children in an effort to dominate them. They do experience sexual desire for adults but molest children episodically, for reasons apart from sexual desire, much as rapists enjoy power, violence, and controlling their humiliated victims. Indeed, research strongly suggests that a child molester isn't any more likely to be homosexual than heterosexual."
---Joe Kort, Ph.D., Certified Sex and Relationship Therapist
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/homosexu ... _b_1932622
If lamb's blood wasn't needed on doorposts to know which houses to pass over in Sodom, why would the angel of death have needed it in Egypt?It was easy to destroy the queers/sodomites/homosexuals, in Sodom, because they were all concentrated in one place, and God could easily remove Lot and his family, and then destroy Sodom, without hurting any innocent people.
HIV can be transmitted from mother to child during pregnancy, and thousands of children have been thus infected.Today, it is so widespread and intermixed with “normal” society, that God can not blast just them, without hurting too many innocent (?) people, so He has sent AIDS (Leviticus 20:13)(Romans 1:27).
https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/o ... ted-causes
All those innocent people being hurt is a pretty hamfisted thing to blame on God, isn't it?
You've posted about a "spirit-being/soul" in a "human-animal body". Do spirit-beings/souls inhabit exclusively animal bodies? I ask because same-sex pairings have been observed in many animal species, even when opposite-sex mates of the same species have been available.
"Rarely does a pedophile experience sexual desire for adults of either gender. They usually don't identify as homosexual; the majority identify as heterosexual, even those who abuse children of the same gender. They are sexually aroused by extreme youth, not by gender.But even on a superficial human level it should be obvious that homosexuality is terribly wrong. How can one possibly claim it does no harm, when homosexuals prey on children
In contrast, child molesters often exert power and control over children in an effort to dominate them. They do experience sexual desire for adults but molest children episodically, for reasons apart from sexual desire, much as rapists enjoy power, violence, and controlling their humiliated victims. Indeed, research strongly suggests that a child molester isn't any more likely to be homosexual than heterosexual."
---Joe Kort, Ph.D., Certified Sex and Relationship Therapist
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/homosexu ... _b_1932622
Opposite-sex activity can be just as risky.And what about the impact their lifestyles have on their own expected lifespans?
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Re: What's wrong with being gay?
Post #390Are you a Jehovah's Witness?A Freeman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 27, 2025 7:23 am .................
It was easy to destroy the queers/sodomites/homosexuals, in Sodom, because they were all concentrated in one place, and God could easily remove Lot and his family, and then destroy Sodom, without hurting any innocent people. Today, it is so widespread and intermixed with “normal” society, that God can not blast just them, without hurting too many innocent (?) people, so He has sent AIDS (Leviticus 20:13)(Romans 1:27).
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I was thinking about this yesterday because many thousands of people where I live caught HIV from having blood transfusions. Obviously, you being a JW might be able to answer my point, but you do understand that most of these poor folks were/are heterosexuals, children even?
Where I live homosexual couples live in peace and harmony among their neighbours. Homophobes.......there are bound to be a very few homophobic bigots but I don't know any myself. Those people tend to be sexist and racist as well, I'm told.
