What's wrong with being gay?

[Daedalus X]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #369]

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made....
(Romans 1:20)

I love that verse when, and only when it's put into the correct context.

In what context are God's attributes in the world not clearly understood by the things that are made?

I use the K.J.B verses for my comments. Romans 1:20, “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his (God’s) eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 1:20 lies in the context of verses 18-19. Verse 18 concerns God's wrath on all unrighteousness. Nature itself and God's law reveal his wrath from sin to sin. Sin has two heads, ungodliness and unrighteousness. The cause of sin? Holding truth in unrighteousness. God’s truth to the ungodly is held captive, so truth does not influence their behavior.

In these cases, the LORD’s displeasure is revealed from heaven, according to his word, his guidance from heaven, and his judgments on sinners. Man’s wrath and judgments are not God’s wrath and judgments.

Those who sin have some knowledge of God; unless a person has lost their mind, they do understand the difference between right and wrong.

Verse 19, “That which may be known of God is made known in them; for God has showed it unto them.” The laws of God are written in the hearts of every man, but the ungodly cannot comprehend him, or willfully reject them.

How were these things known and confirmed to sinners who do or do not know the LORD? Namely, by the work of creation: His invisible perfections are seen by his visible works and apprehended by what he has made. God's power is made known when we look at the mighty oceans, the majestic mountains, the heavens above, and the complexity of life itself, all self-evident to every man. So those who choose to be gay are the same as those who hold God’s truth in unrighteousness.

[oldbadger]

I use the K.J.B verses for my comments. Romans 1:20, “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his (God’s) eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 1:20 lies in the context of verses 18-19. Verse 18 concerns God's wrath on all unrighteousness. Nature itself and God's law reveal his wrath from sin to sin. Sin has two heads, ungodliness and unrighteousness. The cause of sin? Holding truth in unrighteousness. God’s truth to the ungodly is held captive, so truth does not influence their behavior.

In these cases, the LORD’s displeasure is revealed from heaven, according to his word, his guidance from heaven, and his judgments on sinners. Man’s wrath and judgments are not God’s wrath and judgments.

Those who sin have some knowledge of God; unless a person has lost their mind, they do understand the difference between right and wrong.

Verse 19, “That which may be known of God is made known in them; for God has showed it unto them.” The laws of God are written in the hearts of every man, but the ungodly cannot comprehend him, or willfully reject them.

How were these things known and confirmed to sinners who do or do not know the LORD? Namely, by the work of creation: His invisible perfections are seen by his visible works and apprehended by what he has made. God's power is made known when we look at the mighty oceans, the majestic mountains, the heavens above, and the complexity of life itself, all self-evident to every man. So those who choose to be gay are the same as those who hold God’s truth in unrighteousness.

Do you think that by quoting Paul's letters you can show how Adam and Eve were spun in to existence a few thousand years ago?
And that homosexuality is not common in animals?

Do you have any of God's laws about homosexuality to show..?..that would be helpful.

[placebofactor]

I use the K.J.B verses for my comments. Romans 1:20, “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his (God’s) eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 1:20 lies in the context of verses 18-19. Verse 18 concerns God's wrath on all unrighteousness. Nature itself and God's law reveal his wrath from sin to sin. Sin has two heads, ungodliness and unrighteousness. The cause of sin? Holding truth in unrighteousness. God’s truth to the ungodly is held captive, so truth does not influence their behavior.

In these cases, the LORD’s displeasure is revealed from heaven, according to his word, his guidance from heaven, and his judgments on sinners. Man’s wrath and judgments are not God’s wrath and judgments.

Those who sin have some knowledge of God; unless a person has lost their mind, they do understand the difference between right and wrong.

Verse 19, “That which may be known of God is made known in them; for God has showed it unto them.” The laws of God are written in the hearts of every man, but the ungodly cannot comprehend him, or willfully reject them.

How were these things known and confirmed to sinners who do or do not know the LORD? Namely, by the work of creation: His invisible perfections are seen by his visible works and apprehended by what he has made. God's power is made known when we look at the mighty oceans, the majestic mountains, the heavens above, and the complexity of life itself, all self-evident to every man. So those who choose to be gay are the same as those who hold God’s truth in unrighteousness.

Do you think that by quoting Paul's letters you can show how Adam and Eve were spun in to existence a few thousand years ago?
And that homosexuality is not common in animals?

Do you have any of God's laws about homosexuality to show..?..that would be helpful.

Adultery, Fornication, Sodomy, Uncleanness, and Effeminate are blasphemous sins against the LORD. An effeminate is a male having the qualities of the female sex, soft or delicate, to become unmanly, womanish.

1 Corinthians 6:9, "The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Romans 1:27, "Men (males) leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly (shameful,) and receiving in themselves that recompense (penalty) of their error which was (due)."

Deuteronomy 23:17, God said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, not a sodomite of the sons of Israel."

1 Kings 14:24, "There were also Sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel."

1 Kings 22:46, "The remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father A-sa, he (the LORD) took out of the land."

Josiah, king of Israel, he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD. 2 Kings 23:7, He "Broke down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD."

Those who do not condemn this sin, but support it, are as guilty as those who practice it.

We all know the story of Sodom: a city South of the Dead Sea in Israel.
Genesis 19: The men Sodom burned in their flesh, attempting to break down Lot's door to have sexual intercourse with the two men of God. They rejected Lot's two daughters, going forward to sodomize the two men. The two struck the men of Sodom with blindness, then destroyed the city and its inhabitants with fire and brimstone.

[Clownboat]

We all know the story of Sodom: a city South of the Dead Sea in Israel.
Genesis 19: The men Sodom burned in their flesh, attempting to break down Lot's door to have sexual intercourse with the two men of God. They rejected Lot's two daughters, going forward to sodomize the two men. The two struck the men of Sodom with blindness, then destroyed the city and its inhabitants with fire and brimstone.

I know this story!
It's a story about a city that had some homosexuals and according to the story, genocide on the entire city was deserved because of some homosexuals.

Makes me ask myself what's worse, genocide for having gay people in a city or the gay people themselves. Personally, I'm against genocide. A Christian's millage may vary sadly. If there was a real God out there, I wonder what it would think about the genocide in this story and the reported reason for it.

[placebofactor]

We all know the story of Sodom: a city South of the Dead Sea in Israel.
Genesis 19: The men Sodom burned in their flesh, attempting to break down Lot's door to have sexual intercourse with the two men of God. They rejected Lot's two daughters, going forward to sodomize the two men. The two struck the men of Sodom with blindness, then destroyed the city and its inhabitants with fire and brimstone.

I know this story!
It's a story about a city that had some homosexuals and according to the story, genocide on the entire city was deserved because of some homosexuals.

Makes me ask myself what's worse, genocide for having gay people in a city or the gay people themselves. Personally, I'm against genocide. A Christian's millage may vary sadly. If there was a real God out there, I wonder what it would think about the genocide in this story and the reported reason for it.

God's justice and Hitler's genocide are two different ball games. It's a shame you feel like that about the God that created you.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #373]

An effeminate is a male having the qualities of the female sex

You mean like having nipples?

[oldbadger]

Adultery, Fornication, Sodomy, Uncleanness, and Effeminate are blasphemous sins against the LORD. An effeminate is a male having the qualities of the female sex, soft or delicate, to become unmanly, womanish.

And exactly where did you find that piece of hateful rhetoric? You certainly didn't get it from Jesus.

1 Corinthians 6:9, "The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Romans 1:27, "Men (males) leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly (shameful,) and receiving in themselves that recompense (penalty) of their error which was (due)."

And here you've raised Paul up above Jesus.
That seems to be where you could be going wrong.
Most sad.

Deuteronomy 23:17, God said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, not a sodomite of the sons of Israel."

And here you pretend that you obey the laws of Deuteronomy. Come on! You ignore HUNDREDS of the laws of Deuteronomy, don't you? So you can't pleas that you follow God's laws.

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1 Kings 14:24, "There were also Sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel."

1 Kings 22:46, "The remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father A-sa, he (the LORD) took out of the land."

Josiah, king of Israel, he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD. 2 Kings 23:7, He "Broke down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD."
[/quote]
So you follow the practices of the Jews of those days. OK, so now I know more about your particular religion.

Those who do not condemn this sin, but support it, are as guilty as those who practice it.

I do support the rights of LGBT folks...most certainly.
Not all Christians/people have the hatred that can be shown towards LGBT people, you know.
My local church married LGBT people and is packed full of Christians at service times. A friend of ours works there with the children.

We all know the story of Sodom: a city South of the Dead Sea in Israel.
Genesis 19: The men Sodom burned in their flesh, attempting to break down Lot's door to have sexual intercourse with the two men of God. They rejected Lot's two daughters, going forward to sodomize the two men. The two struck the men of Sodom with blindness, then destroyed the city and its inhabitants with fire and brimstone.

We all know other stories, like the one of Hitler throwing LGBT people in to his death camps.

It's OK if folks have a private hatred against certain races, colours, sexualities, religions etc, but I suggest that they keep them all tightly concealed inside their head. Not to let them out. To Conceal them. Then at least they can't do any harm in their community.

[Clownboat]

God's justice and Hitler's genocide are two different ball games. It's a shame you feel like that about the God that created you.

Actually, the genocide ordered by the god concept of the Bible is the same as the genocide ordered by Hitler.
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.” ― Seneca

The real shame is humans justifying genocide and that you are accusing me of some emotional reaction to a god concept instead of a rational criticism of it.

In this world, we have good people that do good things and bad people that do bad things, but it can take religion in order for good people to do bad things, like justifying genocide and taking virgin girls as spoils of war.

[A Freeman]

The Law on homosexuality:

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [homosexuality] [is] abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

[A Freeman]

King of kings' Bible – Luke 17:26-30
17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] ALL.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were TOTALLY out of control, so God decided to destroy them COMPLETELY, souls and all.

Sodom, as the name indicates, was full of sodomites (homosexuals). There is nothing “gay” or “happy” about defying God and nature by being a sodomite, regardless of the massive amount of satanic programming to convince us otherwise. Sodomy/homosexuality is an abomination because it is completely UNNATURAL, disgusting and unhealthy on every level, and serves as a stepping stone for every other perversion, including paedophilia, incest and bestiality.

Homosexuality teaches selfishness and perversion, and being so totally enslaved to depravity that one is willing to do whatever it takes to fulfill their sick and misguided physical urges. It should be obvious that homosexuality, and a society choosing to accept it, is destroying both the family unit, which is the basic building-block of a NORMAL society, and people's ability to discern between what's right and what's wrong, exactly as intended. Homosexuality is a mental disease and a crime that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Love.

There should be no such thing as lesbians, sodomites (homosexuals), bi-sexuals or trans-whatevers, and IF people actually understood this, there would be no confusion over or intrusion into the public restrooms. No one should be forced to share a restroom facility with any kind of homosexual/sexual-deviant, as there should be ZERO tolerance for such CRIMINAL behavior, nor should children be subjected to such filth and the potential danger from paedophiles pretending to be trans-whatevers. More on that later, for those of you who have been CONNED into thinking that homosexuals and the rest of the sexually-deviant freaks don't pose a serious threat to others.

According to The King Ruler of the Universe, as recorded in His PERFECT Law, homosexuality is an abomination and a capital offense:-

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt NOT lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [homosexuality] [is] ABOMINATION.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall SURELY be put to DEATH; their blood [shall be] upon them.

The same goes for “cross-dressing” (including altering a male body into a female one or vice-versa), or any other role-swapping, gender confusion, etc., all of which is against The Law.

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall NOT wear that which pertaineth unto a man, NEITHER SHALL A MAN PUT ON A WOMAN'S GARMENT: for all that do so [are] ABOMINATION unto the "I AM" thy God.