Secular Violence.

[jcrawford]

If secular nazis, fascists and communists killed tens of millions of Christians, Jews and Muslims during their secular reigns of terror, secular abortionists around the world have killed hundreds of millions of unborn children of Christian, Jewish and Muslim men and women during their recent secular reign of terror. The secular supremacists call it population control or women's rights. Christians, Jews and Muslims call it secular terrorism, and when their babies are partially born alive and then killed by secular abortionists, we call it bloody partial birth murder.

[jcrawford]

But of course their unborn child is in harms way. You want to consider me pro-abortion. Nothing could be further from the truth. I would like to see abortion as a rare outdated idea, but I realize the way to do that isn't to criminalize it, but to get a more practical view about prevention. We need to get our heads out of our collective rectums and get realistic about human sexuality.

Nice speech. We need to get the filthy secular hands of male abortionists out the bloody wombs of our Christian, Jewish and Muslim wives and daughters.

So are you saying the women who claim to be xian are not really xian at all, but closet devils and feminists?

Yes, since I understand xians to be sexual secularists, they are indeed in league with closet devils and other social deviants.

tbc. My two beautiful daughters are demanding my immediate attention.

[McCulloch]

Nice speech. We need to get the filthy secular hands of male abortionists out the bloody wombs of our Christian, Jewish and Muslim wives and daughters.

Because in the True Christian and Muslim religion, wives and daughters are not competent to make their own decisions. They must be led by men, who have better spiritual insight and are less prone to sinning. That is why, when secular authorities allow Christian and Muslim women to seek abortions without their male's guidance they are transgressing the True Christians' and Muslims' freedom of religion. The freedom to authoritatively rule the weaker sex.

[jcrawford]

Well, trust me, when that man of their was between their legs, it wasn't in a males abortion clinic.

If "that man of theirs" was their Christian, Jewish or Muslim husband neither they nor bloody secular male abortionists have the right to kill his unborn child without his informed consent and written permission any more than they have the right to put their filthy sexual hands on the wives and daughters of Christian, Jewish and Muslim men in the first place. They are commiting a sexual act far worse than adultery.

Step back a bit, think about it, people don't just wake up pregnant, and there is a reason agnostics/atheists/secular humanists have a lower abortion rate than christians. It is because we do not tend to have the stigma associated with sexuality that repressed christians have.

Repressed Christians? Who is repressing them but secular lawyers, judges and politicians who are advancing the secular agenda of sexual perverts, sexist feminists and secular abortionists. What ultimately will be aborted is feminist sexism and secularism in government itself.

But the Bush administration , with all its good christian values continues to promote good ties and most favored nation trading status for them. Perhaps you should talk to your boy bush about putting his money where his mouth is, and start promoting human rights in China.

Why should Bush be concerned with human rights in China when the rights of Christian, Jewish and Muslim men are being trampled by secular terrorists and baby-killers in America?

I would tell you to google the word search engine, but then you might think its a dictionary as well.

You don't get to tell me anything other than who your political allies are and what their political weaknesses are.

[jcrawford]

Nice speech. We need to get the filthy secular hands of male abortionists out the bloody wombs of our Christian, Jewish and Muslim wives and daughters.

Because in the True Christian and Muslim religion, wives and daughters are not competent to make their own decisions.

How could an agnostic or atheist know what the True Christian, Jewish and Muslim religions are, let alone be found competent to judge them? Secularists are in no better position to judge anyone's religion than the Russian communists or German nazis were since they don't even have moral authority over their own families, let alone True Christian, Jewish and Islamic families.

They must be led by men, who have better spiritual insight and are less prone to sinning. That is why, when secular authorities allow Christian and Muslim women to seek abortions without their male's guidance they are transgressing the True Christians' and Muslims' freedom of religion. The freedom to authoritatively rule the weaker sex.

Christian, Jewish and Muslim Fathers also have the religious freedom and right to rule over weaker secular men in the society. Our wives and daughters want Godly men to rule over Europe and America once again because they are tired of their sex being raped, pillaged, plundered and sexploited by sexual perverts, pornographers and other commercial predators in corporate Europe and America.

[skeeterses]

Christian, Jewish and Muslim Fathers also have the religious freedom and right to rule over weaker secular men in the society. Our wives and daughters want Godly men to rule over Europe and America once again

JC, you're funny! Have you ever thought about moving over to Saudi Arabia or Iran? You could become a mullah and get yourself 4 wives to rule over.

Now back to the abortion debate. Juliod, you brought up a good point about the abortion not being mentioned in the Bible. Back when the Jews were in Egypt, their God supposedly brought the Plague of the FirstBorns over the Egyptian babies. Some Pro-Life God! JC, you assume that that there's a conspiracy by the abortionists to kill Christians. With all the rambling on this thread, I don't know exactly what you're trying to say. If you don't want those abortionists doing abortions on Christian women, maybe you should go to Church and talk to the Christian ladies about your Pro-Life views. I wonder what they're going to say about your conspiracy views regarding abortion.

[jcrawford]

Christian, Jewish and Muslim Fathers also have the religious freedom and right to rule over weaker secular men in the society. Our wives and daughters want Godly men to rule over Europe and America once again

JC, you're funny!

Thanks. Glad you appreciate my good Christian sense of humor. Some Christians, Jews and Muslims can be a pretty droll lot.

Have you ever thought about moving over to Saudi Arabia or Iran?

Who me? You know how those Sunnis and Shiites over there don't like to be preached to by American secularists, Christians or Jews. You're not thinking of drafting me into George Bush's army and sending me over there, are you?

You could become a mullah and get yourself 4 wives to rule over.

A Christian mullah with 4 Muslim wives in Saudi Arabia or Iran? Hmmm? Would my stateside Christian wife and daughters ever give me permission?

Now back to the abortion debate.

Yes. Your mid-east expedition was a great set-up line for me though. Hope you enjoyed my light-hearted retorts. Now, back to secular terrorism and domestic violence in abortion clinics.

JC, you assume that that there's a conspiracy by the abortionists to kill Christians.

No, there's a conspiracy by the secular humanists to keep anti-abortion Christians out of politics, public office and government. They are afraid we won't let them teach secularism in our public schools anymore. Can't blame 'em. The abortionists will kill any unborn child they can get their bloody hands on as long as they are paid in cash or pregancy termination is covered by the woman's or husband's employee health plan.

If you don't want those abortionists doing abortions on Christian women, maybe you should go to Church and talk to the Christian ladies about your Pro-Life views.

Are you kidding? No Christian ladies in a Christian church will fess up to having had either an adulterous affair or an abortion. Obviously, you've never hung out with the church ladies.

I wonder what they're going to say about your conspiracy views regarding abortion.

They'll probably tell me to mind my own business if they have any sense. Besides, I don't want to disturb the sanctity of anyone's Christian marriage or ruffle any feathers on their Easter bonnets. I'd much rather hold the pagan male abortionists responsible for the domestic violence and terrorism they have instigated here in America with the satanic blessing of the men on the former SCOTUS. Why disturb good old-fashioned Christian equilibrium when male secular lawyers and judges are to blame for the current abortion Holocaust? Once Christian, Jewish and Muslim men get the bloody secularists out of office and are able to provide for our families again, our Christian, Jewish and Muslim women will be so proud of us, they won't even want abortions any more and past acquaintances and abortion sins will forever be forgotten, as will the reign of secular terror during the past century be.

[jnjjj]

Hello - I've never posted to a blog before, but after reading jcrawfords 2 topics I had to ask some questions...First, I'm not sure what you are trying to debate. I'm assuming that you are a Christian and that you are against abortion. Are you against all abortion or just those that effect "Christian, Jewish & Muslim women"? What about all the other people who do not "fit" into these groups? Do they not matter? I think the real issue (as has already been stated) is a matter of education to help prevent pregnancies and STDs and, when the need arrises, to compassionately and understandingly (nonjudgementally) help the women who are seeking abortions. Not by pushing your views on them, but by showing them that there are other ways out of the situation they are in.

They'll probably tell me to mind my own business if they have any sense. Besides, I don't want to disturb the sanctity of anyone's Christian marriage or ruffle any feathers on their Easter bonnets

I'm not sure what this is - is it sarcasm or is this how you really feel? Please elaborate...

good old-fashioned Christian equilibrium

What exactly is Christian equilibrium?

[jcrawford]

Are you against all abortion or just those that effect "Christian, Jewish & Muslim women"?

I'm arguing for the right of married Christian, Jewish and Muslim men to have their reproductive rights and their religious marriages re-instituted by state and federal government, after being denied and discriminated against for the past 33 years. Once our rights are restored, all other married men will once again enjoy the rights which filthy and bloody secular advocates for the indiscriminate slaughter of 40 million American babies have taken away from them.

What about all the other people who do not "fit" into these groups? Do they not matter?

Of course they do, but if they don't support or advocate the rights of married CJ&M fathers, why should we be concerned about them at this point? Their silence is part cause of our problem.

I think the real issue (as has already been stated) is a matter of education to help prevent pregnancies and STDs and, when the need arrises, to compassionately and understandingly (nonjudgementally) help the women who are seeking abortions. Not by pushing your views on them, but by showing them that there are other ways out of the situation they are in.

Yeah, that's a nice strategy. Pursue it. Plenty of people are.

What exactly is Christian equilibrium?

Equal reproductive rights for Christian, Jewish and Muslim men and women, and equal representation in government with our secular oppressors.

[Wyvern]

I'm arguing for the right of married Christian, Jewish and Muslim men to have their reproductive rights and their religious marriages re-instituted by state and federal government, after being denied and discriminated against for the past 33 years.

So you would reinstate the reproductive rights of men by taking it away from women? Believe it or not abortions have been performed for more than the last 33 years. By the way who do you think would be paying for these extra 40 million children that you so bemoan not being around and who the parents didn't want, you probably complain about taxes now, think how much higher they would be with the necessary orphanage system that would have to be in place.

Equal reproductive rights for Christian, Jewish and Muslim men and women, and equal representation in government with our secular oppressors.

Jcrawford you have stated before that you are an american, that being so I assume you know the constitution guarantees freedom of religion, that means all religions(with the standard declaimers i.e. as long as no harm is done to either the practitioner or others). Right now the president and most of his senior staff are avowed reborn christians along with many members of congress how many so called secularists are in the government?
JC you can't turn the clock back no matter how much you try, time only goes forward. Iran tried with the full force of both religion and government and yet modernity is seeping in all the same.

[jcrawford]

I'm arguing for the right of married Christian, Jewish and Muslim men to have their reproductive rights and their religious marriages re-instituted by state and federal government, after being denied and discriminated against for the past 33 years.

So you would reinstate the reproductive rights of men by taking it away from women?

No, married men and their wives have equal procreative rights to sexual reproduction, silly. You sure seem to like twisting things around.

By the way who do you think would be paying for these extra 40 million children that you so bemoan not being around and who the parents didn't want, you probably complain about taxes now, think how much higher they would be with the necessary orphanage system that would have to be in place.

That's all incidental compared the crime of white male abortionists killing the offspring of married black men without their informed consent and written permission. Worse than slavery.

how many so called secularists are in the government?

They're all bloody secularists. How many are imposing religious law on you, silly?

JC you can't turn the clock back no matter how much you try, time only goes forward. Iran tried with the full force of both religion and government and yet modernity is seeping in all the same.

Yes, they'll have atom bombs soon.