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Conservatives tend to support the death penalty and oppose abortion.
Liberals tend to support abortion and oppose the death penalty.

Who is being inconsistent? Conservatives or Liberals?

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100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote: I don't see how the unborn and criminals can be compared, the first group is innocent, the second is guilty of serious crimes.
Well... aren't newborn and criminals both groups of humans? But you are correct on unborns. They can't be compared to humans.
Not to criminal humans.
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Donray wrote: The biggest hypocrisy of the Christians is that they want to use to the term "Prolife" when they are only anti-abortion and not prolife.

Why use the term "Prolife" when that is not what most Christians mean. They believe in killing in the case of a death penalty and most important these same people will kill during war or self defense. Prolife should mean that the person does not believe in killing another person for any reason.
Where does the Bible say killing is always wrong? :confused2:
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Re: Who is being Inconsistent?

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WinePusher wrote: Conservatives tend to support the death penalty and oppose abortion.
Liberals tend to support abortion and oppose the death penalty.

Who is being inconsistent? Conservatives or Liberals?
Everyone is inconsistent. Isn't that what Christians mean by everyone sins?

Do you know anyone perfectly consistent?

That said, I can understand how, if one reduces everything down to it's most simple form, they'd have confusion.

This happens when small minds try to grapple with larger issues.

Luckily, I'm here to help you...

When you talk about Liberals and Conservatives, you reduce it to the current political climate. Those issues are not, per se, anything to do with being Liberal and Conservative, they simply fit nicely into political propaganda which you seem to gobble up like candy.

Liberals and Conservatives believe a lot of things, and those two issues are complicated and easy to defend if one creates creative and emotional pleas for or against.

In the end, there is no ultimate rightness or wrongness other than what we decide as a People. There is nothing in the Bible that says governments can't make laws one way or another.

So, we have public debates, cultural norms, and all the rest that eventually set the laws in the books.

It's not even so simplistic as the OP wishes it to be. Many are for abortion for only a few cases, and some are only for the death penalty only in extreme cases.
There are some States that (almost) never use the death penalty. It's not as if Conservatives are "for" the death penalty for all illegal activity.

Just like Liberals aren't "for" abortions for any kind of pregnancy.

The OP has tried to cause division by simplifying the issue in an infantile way, which serves his and his like-minded group purposes, but doesn't serve us well if we are thoughtful and intelligent.
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East of Eden wrote:
Donray wrote: The biggest hypocrisy of the Christians is that they want to use to the term "Prolife" when they are only anti-abortion and not prolife.

Why use the term "Prolife" when that is not what most Christians mean. They believe in killing in the case of a death penalty and most important these same people will kill during war or self defense. Prolife should mean that the person does not believe in killing another person for any reason.
Where does the Bible say killing is always wrong? :confused2:
By Jesus's example. He was being brought to his death - he could have fought out of self-defense but didn't. The early Christian martyr's followed suit.
The Bible teaches life and death are the domain of God, not us.

Now, I agree this is stupid. But that's a different issue.
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East of Eden wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote: I don't see how the unborn and criminals can be compared, the first group is innocent, the second is guilty of serious crimes.
Well... aren't newborn and criminals both groups of humans? But you are correct on unborns. They can't be compared to humans.
Not to criminal humans.
I always thought that one of the major points of Christian religion was hope for all people including criminals. According to the Bible, criminals have the same access to Christian Heaven as any other believer in Jesus.

Denying criminals human rights and considering them less than humans, you contradict the teaching of the Christian Bible.

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100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote: I don't see how the unborn and criminals can be compared, the first group is innocent, the second is guilty of serious crimes.
Well... aren't newborn and criminals both groups of humans? But you are correct on unborns. They can't be compared to humans.
Not to criminal humans.
I always thought that one of the major points of Christian religion was hope for all people including criminals. According to the Bible, criminals have the same access to Christian Heaven as any other believer in Jesus.

Denying criminals human rights and considering them less than humans, you contradict the teaching of the Christian Bible.
If babies are innocent, why did God command Moses to kill them? And why does God kill so many of them?
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Ooberman wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote: I don't see how the unborn and criminals can be compared, the first group is innocent, the second is guilty of serious crimes.
Well... aren't newborn and criminals both groups of humans? But you are correct on unborns. They can't be compared to humans.
Not to criminal humans.
I always thought that one of the major points of Christian religion was hope for all people including criminals. According to the Bible, criminals have the same access to Christian Heaven as any other believer in Jesus.

Denying criminals human rights and considering them less than humans, you contradict the teaching of the Christian Bible.
If babies are innocent, why did God command Moses to kill them?
I don't know, why did we kill so many at Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE

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100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote: I don't see how the unborn and criminals can be compared, the first group is innocent, the second is guilty of serious crimes.
Well... aren't newborn and criminals both groups of humans? But you are correct on unborns. They can't be compared to humans.
Not to criminal humans.
I always thought that one of the major points of Christian religion was hope for all people including criminals. According to the Bible, criminals have the same access to Christian Heaven as any other believer in Jesus.
Of course they do, if they repent, but what does that have to do with governments punishing criminals? Should they let them all go free?
Denying criminals human rights and considering them less than humans, you contradict the teaching of the Christian Bible.
I reject your premise.
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE

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Ooberman wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
Donray wrote: The biggest hypocrisy of the Christians is that they want to use to the term "Prolife" when they are only anti-abortion and not prolife.

Why use the term "Prolife" when that is not what most Christians mean. They believe in killing in the case of a death penalty and most important these same people will kill during war or self defense. Prolife should mean that the person does not believe in killing another person for any reason.
Where does the Bible say killing is always wrong? :confused2:
By Jesus's example. He was being brought to his death - he could have fought out of self-defense but didn't. The early Christian martyr's followed suit.
The Bible teaches life and death are the domain of God, not us.
Nonsense, you're confusing Jesus' unique mission other situations. When He comes back again it won't be so peaceful. There is nothing un-biblical about the death penalty or a just war. Christianity isn't a pacifist religion.
Now, I agree this is stupid. But that's a different issue.
At least your interpretation is. ;)
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East of Eden wrote:
Ooberman wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
East of Eden wrote: I don't see how the unborn and criminals can be compared, the first group is innocent, the second is guilty of serious crimes.
Well... aren't newborn and criminals both groups of humans? But you are correct on unborns. They can't be compared to humans.
Not to criminal humans.
I always thought that one of the major points of Christian religion was hope for all people including criminals. According to the Bible, criminals have the same access to Christian Heaven as any other believer in Jesus.

Denying criminals human rights and considering them less than humans, you contradict the teaching of the Christian Bible.
If babies are innocent, why did God command Moses to kill them?
I don't know, why did we kill so many at Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?
How does that answer the question? Seriously. Wth are you talking about?
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