SUICIDE?

[rapture101]

Most people I know say if you commit suicide, and are sucessull you go to hell.Is that true? i don't think you'll go to hell if you kill your self.But I think yall should debate soooo



LETS DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dilettante]

First we need to define suicide correctly. For example, a criminal killing himself to avoid being caught or a suicide bomber/kamikaze are totally different cases from martyrs and mothers who sacrifice for their children, or even people who are terminally ill or in a deep depression.

Second, we need to determine whether suicide can truly be voluntary, i. e., whether it is not always forced upon the individual by external causes, since it flies in the face of our instinct for self preservation.

Besides, if we believe,as some people do, that God has predetermined all our actions, the suicide would not be an exception, and I don't see how the person who commits suicide could be held responsible for this act.

[rapture101]

For example,

A person is angrey and takes a knife and cuts his or hers wrist.

They do it on purpose.

They die.

Whats next heaven or hell????

[Dilettante]

If it's done in an outburst of emotion (anger) probably it wasn't totally deliberate ...it would be hard to evaluate to what extent this was a free action.
If there is a heaven and a hell (not sure about this) it's hard to imagine that this person would be punished for eternity for an action they did in a moment of near-insanity.

Another example: if a heinous criminal realizes the enormity of his crimes and decides to kill himself (because crime has become second nature to him and he wants to stop his criminal career) I don't see why he should be punished.

[rapture101]

The whole killer guy I don't think so either.

But If a person kills them self because they want to die what happens then?

[Nyril]

But If a person kills them self because they want to die what happens then?

Back to the previous part, it depends why they want to die. In anger I've smashed my share of seemingly harmless objects that I wouldn't of done otherwise. If I was without my arms and legs due to an accident and in constant pain I would likely want death. If I was drugged and not in my present state of mind I might want to die. If I was in a family situation that was very unstable, that might trigger it. I could want to die if my death would save two or more people. I could want to die if it meant either of my parents would escape death.

It really depends on the reason for wanting to die.

But, should you come up a scenario that doesn't fit into any of those categories, I'd say nothing particularly special. Body goes into the ground. Bacteria dissolve it, worms get a meal or so. The basic boring stuff nobody feels like watching all of.

[rapture101]

lets say the person is just sick of living.

and wants to be withgod.

Heaven or HELL?

[Nyril]

lets say the person is just sick of living.

Now see, we just did this a post ago. Looking at the timestamp, it is somewhat likely you posted without reading mine, so I'll repost it here.

Back to the previous part, it depends why they want to die. In anger I've smashed my share of seemingly harmless objects that I wouldn't of done otherwise. If I was without my arms and legs due to an accident and in constant pain I would likely want death. If I was drugged and not in my present state of mind I might want to die. If I was in a family situation that was very unstable, that might trigger it. I could want to die if my death would save two or more people. I could want to die if it meant either of my parents would escape death.

It really depends on the reason for wanting to die.

But, should you come up a scenario that doesn't fit into any of those categories, I'd say nothing particularly special. Body goes into the ground. Bacteria dissolve it, worms get a meal or so. The basic boring stuff nobody feels like watching all of.

[Vladd44]

Heaven or HELL?

Shouldnt you let that be left in the hands of your god?

[rapture101]

Yes i should but what if the person just ends up going to hell???