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Biblical Data on Jesus' Obedience and DeathThe key text is Philippians 2:5–8 (ESV):"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."
Supporting passages:John 5:30 (Jesus): "I can do nothing on my own... I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me."
John 6:38: "For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me."
Hebrews 5:8: "Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered."

These show Jesus actively submitting His will to the Father's will, culminating in the cross.Does Obedience Imply One Being or Two?Obedience requires distinct centers of will:A single person cannot "obey" himself in the same way (e.g., "I obey my own command" is tautological, not relational submission).
Jesus' prayers (e.g., John 17:1–5, Luke 22:42 – "not my will, but yours be done") show real interpersonal dialogue, not monologue.

Thus, obedience presupposes two distinct agents (Father and Son) in relationship.Modalism vs. This DataModalism (Sabellianism) teaches:God is one person who manifests in three sequential modes (Father → Son → Spirit).
No eternal distinction of persons; only one "face" at a time.

If modalism is true:The Son is not a distinct person from the Father.
Jesus' obedience is the Father obeying Himself through a human mask.
This collapses the relational dynamic into self-talk, undermining:The inter-Trinitarian love (John 17:24 – "you loved me before the foundation of the world").
The real cost of submission (Gethsemane’s anguish becomes theatrical).

Conclusion: More or Less Likely?Less likely.
Jesus' obedience unto death on the cross requires real distinction of persons (Father and Son as two centers of will). Modalism reduces this to one person role-playing, which contradicts the relational submission in Scripture. The biblical data fits Trinitarianism (one God, three co-eternal persons) far better than modalism.
^ From a question to Grok.

Considering the biblical data and that Jesus was obedient unto death on a cross. Is it more or less likely that modalism is true? Does obedience imply one being or two? Conversely consider what disobedience implies as well.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: modalism - obedient unto death on a cross

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Peace again to you all,
OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:37 pm [Replying to tam in post #50]
tam wrote: I hear the voice of Christ, the Good Shepherd, the Son of God.
Since the ‘small still voice’ denies the name Jesus,
I would suggest that you (and the reader if need be) do a little research on the evolution of the name "Jesus." It is not what Christ would have been called in Israel a couple thousand years ago. In a best case scenario, the name "Jesus" went through a couple different renditions (from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English).

But in English, the closest transliteration of the name of Chirst would be Joshua - and that directly from the Aramaic. The Hebrew name that Joshua is derived from means JAH saves. https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon ... v/wlc/0-1/

It looks different in blue letter bible (Jehoshua) because they use the shortened form for Jehovah for the first part of the name, instead of using JAH (from YHWH.)

Something interesting happened during the course of these conversations, however. I had previously mentioned that my Lord showed me how his name went from Jaheshua to Jeshua (or Yeshua, as they would pronounce it in Israel). He showed me this image:

Jaheshua
J'eshua
Jeshua

(I think I often share this with the "Y" instead of the "J" so that it shows the sound)

I know that this is true because my dear Lord showed me, confirming His name as Jaheshua.

But it was pretty cool to discover there was a record of the name "Joshua" going from the Hebrew [Jehoshua] to the later shortened version [Jeshua] in Aramaic.

And again, many prophets had the name of God in their name:

EliJAH (literally - my God is JAH)
ZecharIAH
IsaIAH

How much more so the name of the Son - who came in His Father's name?

And look at the word for salvation (because the spirit led me to look this up; I had no idea beforehand):

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon ... v/wlc/0-1/

Transliteration: yᵊšûʿâ

Pronunciation: yesh-oo'-aw

Very cool. My Lord simply also has the name of His Father (of God) in His name as well. Jah'eshua.

I did not need to see any of these things because my Lord showed me His name, and I remain in His word. But perhaps it interests someone who is reading.
who is the Christ and Good Shepherd, what you’ve been hearing until now is not the true voice of Christ, but only the voice of a deceiving spirit who falsely claims to be the Christ. In reality, he is a ‘false Christ,’ for the reason cited above. He has deceived you with lies about Christ’s true identity, which is why you’ve been drawn so far from Jesus, the Almighty God.
See you make this false accusation, and yet, what can you show is false in what I said?

The evolution of the name "Jesus" anyone can look up for themselves.
The rest that I have shared is backed up by what Christ has said Himself.

You (or whomever you are listening to) are the one who has changed what Christ said himself. Or added to it. Or interpreted it 'away'.
tam wrote: The Father is the Almighty God, that is true. His Son, however, is His Heir - and that Son has been given all authority in heaven and on earth.

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him."
The reason for this, as the Lord taught us, is because He is the Father and Almighty God who was in the Son during that time
Then He would not have needed to grant Himself authority. It would already have been His.
as well as the verse that says ‘no one comes to the Father but me.’
There is no verse that says 'no one comes to the Father but me"

My Lord said, "No one comes to the Father except through me."
tam wrote: The Son of God is certainly not 'long gone'. After His death and resurrection and ascension, the Son is still alive and still speaking:

“To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:

These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
Read between the lines
No.

THAT is how people make words mean whatever they want. Reading 'between the lines' is interpretation. Or "rumormongering" as you like to put it.

He said what He meant.
for you to see that what John saw in his vision is not the Son of God but the Spirit whom Jesus used to speak with John.

12.And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
That IS Christ.

The sword comes out of the mouth of Christ:

Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Rev 2:16

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” Revelation 19:11-15

The Son of God was a human like us, how could he be the spirit one who looks like a son of man whom John saw in his vision?


The Son of God came and walked with us as a man for just a little while; then He was once again spirit. Just as He was before He "became flesh and made his dwelling among us."

tam wrote: Now I am well aware that I cannot convince you of anything.

Having the Lord Jesus on my side strengthens my belief in God, who is Himself. There is really no way that a deceiving spirit, who is not God, can convince me of anything?
Unless you have already been deceived.
tam wrote: No one comes to the Son unless the Father draws them. If there is a verse in Christ's own words that contradicts something you post, you ignore it or claim it is in the bible so it's rumor-mongering.

Actually, I can set aside the whole Bible in favor of the real and eternally living Christ Jesus, who is now our Pastor and Teacher. He is more than enough to guide and save us always, and therefore we need nothing but Him alone. The statement, ‘No one comes to the Son unless the Father draws them,’ was addressed directly to the Pharisees and the Jews who were with Jesus when they totally rejected Him. It’s as if Jesus was saying, ‘It’s only by the Father’s mercy drawing you to me that you’ll come to me.’
He said no one. No one comes to the Son unless the Father draws them. I take Him at His word.

tam wrote: Even though you use verses yourself. I f I were to say that the Spirit (Christ) told me something that contradicts something you post, you will call it a lie.
I tell you, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Share with us what the ‘small still voice’ is saying in this regard. I do not conclude without reading the basis for rejection and/or acceptance of any claims.
You have already done it.
tam wrote: I put my trust and faith in Christ because He is the Truth. Because He is the One to whom my Father led me when I was seeking truth, and when I asked the Father to lead me where He wanted me to be. Because He has always spoken truth to me. Because I know He keeps His promises, as He has kept them with me. Because He loves me and even gave
The ‘small still voice’ is not God, how could he be the Truth, who alone, is only the Lord Jesus Christ whom he denies? He who is not God cannot be the Truth, no matter how many million times he claims he’s the Christ! You haven’t heard yet the Father, how do you now say He (Father) led you to the ‘small still voice?’ If you were able to speak with the Father, He would not lead you to any one spirit nor to the Son who is long gone, but to Himself alone because He was the Spirit that was then in the Son.
Your belief here is incorrect.

The Son of God said:

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me."

Why?

Because the Father draws them to His Son.
tam wrote:

These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. Rev 2:18

He also calls God both His God and His Father after His death, resurrection and ascension:

The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels. Rev 3:5

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.
Though you quoted verses in Revelation, the rest that you said are just your opinion on John’s narratives, which I coined ‘rumor mongering’ or ‘lumping the dough.’
Are you saying something in that quote box is incorrect? Or are you just trying to 'hand wave' away something that contradicts what you claim?
Again, read between the lines,


Again, no. I accept what Christ says.
what John saw was a Spirit who looked like a son of man, not ‘the Son of Man’ per se, who asked Thomas to put his hands in His (the Sin) body when the Lord Jesus, through His power, made the physical body of the Son penetrated the wall in entering the room where the apostles gathered after the resurrection of the Son of God. The Son of God had no eyes like what John saw in his vision.
Not when he was in the body of a man. But as the Spirit, yes, He does have eyes as described.

These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.


Obviously, what John saw was the manifestation of Jesus in speaking with him regarding the former’s Revelations, which He gave to him (John). Again, the Son of God is long gone and he is not a spirit being,


You're concentrating on the description (which is indeed Christ) but you are overlooking the words: The Son of God is the One speaking. "These are the words of the Son of God". If the Son of God were long gone, these could not be words from Him.
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Re: modalism - obedient unto death on a cross

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[Replying to tam in post #61]

Could you address this properly, please?

The ‘small still voice’ is not God, how could he be the Truth, who alone, is only the Lord Jesus Christ whom he denies? He who is not God cannot be the Truth, no matter how many million times he claims he’s the Christ! You haven’t heard yet the Father, how do you now say He (Father) led you to the ‘small still voice?’

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OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:25 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:22 pm
OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 4:28 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 3:42 am
OneJack wrote: I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me.”
To those words I highlighted blue seems to indicate your living someone cannot read "prayer by mind." He need audible prayers.
Our true God knows what's we are thinking even our prayers by mind.
Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"Remember, if before the world was your ally, when you're with Me, the world will hate you because you're no longer of this world, but I have chosen you to spread My holy word. Remember, in all that you do, I am behind you. Remember, every move you make, every whisper of your heart, every cry of your soul, I hear it, so you can't hide anything, even what you don't utter with your lips, I will know. And remember, no one will be saved except those who are faithful to Me, who call upon Me, who follow the will of My Father, follow My will, follow My commandments, worship none other but Me, do all that I command with a willing heart, and that is My church, the Church of Christ.

"No one else will be saved, even if you're part of My church, which they now call the Church of Christ, but the truth is, it's about the people.
Do he means Commandments written in the Bible your living someone rejects?

Definitely not, come to Jesus and get them from Him if you want to follow Him.
I remember you've mentioned the "Ten Commandments" on I think other forum.

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:?:
Capbook wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:30 am
OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:25 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:22 pm
OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 4:28 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 3:42 am To those words I highlighted blue seems to indicate your living someone cannot read "prayer by mind." He need audible prayers.
Our true God knows what's we are thinking even our prayers by mind.
Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"Remember, if before the world was your ally, when you're with Me, the world will hate you because you're no longer of this world, but I have chosen you to spread My holy word. Remember, in all that you do, I am behind you. Remember, every move you make, every whisper of your heart, every cry of your soul, I hear it, so you can't hide anything, even what you don't utter with your lips, I will know. And remember, no one will be saved except those who are faithful to Me, who call upon Me, who follow the will of My Father, follow My will, follow My commandments, worship none other but Me, do all that I command with a willing heart, and that is My church, the Church of Christ.

"No one else will be saved, even if you're part of My church, which they now call the Church of Christ, but the truth is, it's about the people.
Do he means Commandments written in the Bible your living someone rejects?

Definitely not, come to Jesus and get them from Him if you want to follow Him.
I remember you've mentioned the "Ten Commandments" on I think other forum.
Yes, the TC was our first tutorial lesson from the Lord Jesus.

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OneJack wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:54 pm :?:
Capbook wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:30 am
OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:25 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:22 pm
OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 4:28 am

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"Remember, if before the world was your ally, when you're with Me, the world will hate you because you're no longer of this world, but I have chosen you to spread My holy word. Remember, in all that you do, I am behind you. Remember, every move you make, every whisper of your heart, every cry of your soul, I hear it, so you can't hide anything, even what you don't utter with your lips, I will know. And remember, no one will be saved except those who are faithful to Me, who call upon Me, who follow the will of My Father, follow My will, follow My commandments, worship none other but Me, do all that I command with a willing heart, and that is My church, the Church of Christ.

"No one else will be saved, even if you're part of My church, which they now call the Church of Christ, but the truth is, it's about the people.
Do he means Commandments written in the Bible your living someone rejects?

Definitely not, come to Jesus and get them from Him if you want to follow Him.
I remember you've mentioned the "Ten Commandments" on I think other forum.
Yes, the TC was our first tutorial lesson from the Lord Jesus.
Was it the same with what's in the Bible?

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Capbook wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:56 am
OneJack wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:54 pm :?:
Capbook wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:30 am
OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:25 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:22 pm Do he means Commandments written in the Bible your living someone rejects?

Definitely not, come to Jesus and get them from Him if you want to follow Him.
I remember you've mentioned the "Ten Commandments" on I think other forum.
Yes, the TC was our first tutorial lesson from the Lord Jesus.
Was it the same with what's in the Bible?
Actually, nothing has changed with God’s commandments from the very beginning, especially on the seventh day,

God created everything in the universe in six days. On the seventh day, He rested and was pleased with His work. He designated the seventh day as a day of worship and thanksgiving. From ancient times until now, God's command for people on the seventh day is:
*To give thanks for creation.
*Not to work for money.
*To avoid vices like drinking, gambling, and other worldly activities.
*To avoid conflicts.
*To dedicate the day to God.

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[Replying to tam in post #61]
tam wrote: I would suggest that you (and the reader if need be) do a little research on the evolution of the name "Jesus." It is not what Christ would have been called in Israel a couple thousand years ago. In a best case scenario, the name "Jesus" went through a couple different renditions (from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English).

But in English, the closest transliteration of the name of Chirst would be Joshua - and that directly from the Aramaic. The Hebrew name that Joshua is derived from means JAH saves.
Jesus is very much alive, why would you treat Him as if He were dead? What good things would research benefit my soul do you see, btw?
tam wrote: It looks different in blue letter bible (Jehoshua) because they use the shortened form for Jehovah for the first part of the name, instead of using JAH (from YHWH.)

Something interesting happened during the course of these conversations, however. I had previously mentioned that my Lord showed me how his name went from Jaheshua to Jeshua (or Yeshua, as they would pronounce it in Israel). He showed me this image:

Jaheshua
J'eshua
Jeshua

(I think I often share this with the "Y" instead of the "J" so that it shows the sound)

I know that this is true because my dear Lord showed me, confirming His name as Jaheshua.

But it was pretty cool to discover there was a record of the name "Joshua" going from the Hebrew [Jehoshua] to the later shortened version [Jeshua] in Aramaic.

And again, many prophets had the name of God in their name:

EliJAH (literally - my God is JAH)
ZecharIAH
IsaIAH

How much more so the name of the Son - who came in His Father's name?

And look at the word for salvation (because the spirit led me to look this up; I had no idea beforehand):
The ‘small still voice’ is not God. Why do you believe in him as the Christ when the latter is the Almighty God in reality?
tam wrote: Transliteration: yᵊšûʿâ

Pronunciation: yesh-oo'-aw

Very cool. My Lord simply also has the name of His Father (of God) in His name as well. Jah'eshua.

I did not need to see any of these things because my Lord showed me His name, and I remain in His word. But perhaps it interests someone who is reading.
The fact that he is not God makes me confident he is just one among the many deceiving spirits. He takes you away from the Lord God, whose name is Jesus, whom he denies directly.

The truth about the name of Christ resides only in Jesus. You don’t need any research on the name of Christ because Jesus is very much alive to teach you if you come and call upon Him.
tam wrote: See you make this false accusation, and yet, what can you show is false in what I said?

The evolution of the name "Jesus" anyone can look up for themselves.
The rest that I have shared is backed up by what Christ has said Himself.

You (or whomever you are listening to) are the one who has changed what Christ said himself. Or added to it. Or interpreted it 'away'.
The Lord Jesus confirmed and proved to us that He is the Almighty God; there is nothing more for us to doubt Him. Unless the ‘small still voice’ can nullify Jesus by any means, all he’s telling you is nothing but deceptive revelations that take you away from the Father whose name is Jesus.
tam wrote: Then He would not have needed to grant Himself authority. It would already have been His.
Jesus was in the flesh and could not speak directly as the Father without committing blasphemy against God before the eyes of the Jews?
tam wrote: There is no verse that says 'no one comes to the Father but me"

My Lord said, "No one comes to the Father except throughme."
Okay, my fault.
tam wrote: No.

THAT is how people make words mean whatever they want. Reading 'between the lines' is interpretation. Or "rumormongering" as you like to put it.

He said what He meant.
Read carefully,

“…and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters…”

‘Someone like a son of man’ is a description of
a human image, as seen by John in his vision. The image is not the Son of God, to whom Jesus dwelt His fullness when He came in the flesh. The mention of the ‘Son of God’ in Rev 2:18 can be viewed as John’s opinion because what he mentioned in Rev 1:13 was ‘someone like a son of man.’ The Son of God was flesh contrary to what John saw, which was spirit.
tam wrote: That IS Christ. The sword comes out of the mouth of Christ:
Yes, that’s Jesus, through someone like a son of man, to whom a sharp, double-edged sword came out from his mouth.

That ‘someone like a son of man’ was Jesus vessel in communicating with John - Jesus’ manifestation.
tam wrote: Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Rev 2:16

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” Revelation 19:11-15
That’s Jesus Christ, not the ‘small still voice’ who continues to deceive you he is Christ. The worst deception he duped you with is telling you Jesus is not the name of Christ.
tam wrote: The Son of God came and walked with us as a man for just a little while; then He was once again spirit. Just as He was before He "became flesh and made his dwelling among us."
Again, this is a lie and a rumor mongering because the Son of God was just flesh and the Spirit in him was the Father when the latter came in the flesh. Never did the Son of God become spirit, as you speculate.
tam wrote: Unless you have already been deceived.
No one gets deceived by Jesus because He is the Almighty God. He who puts his trust in spirit, which is not God, is the one who is absolutely deceived
tam wrote: He said no one. No one comes to the Son unless the Father draws them. I take Him at His word.
Okay, it’s your choice. You have no one to come to but Jesus.
tam wrote: You have already done it.
You confirmed he is not the Most High, didn’t you?
tam wrote: Your belief here is incorrect.

The Son of God said:

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me."

Why?

Because the Father draws them to His Son.
Again, the Son is long gone. Coming and calling upon Jesus, and following Him until the end is our only option to be saved.
tam wrote: Are you saying something in that quote box is incorrect? Or are you just trying to 'hand wave' away something that contradicts what you claim?
Let’s say your opinion, except the biblical passages.
tam wrote: Again, no. I accept what Christ says.
The ‘small still voice’ is not Christ but a deceiving spirit drawing you away from God.
tam wrote: Not when he was in the body of a man. But as the Spirit, yes, He does have eyes as described.

These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
That’s John’s opinion, just like yours. Only Jesus has eyes like blazing fire, bear that in mind.
tam wrote: You're concentrating on the description (which is indeed Christ) but you are overlooking the words: The Son of God is the One speaking. "These are the words of the Son of God". If the Son of God were long gone, these could not be words from Him.
Go back to Rev 1:13 to see the error of John in saying the Son of God, who was the vessel of Jesus when he came in the flesh.

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Re: modalism - obedient unto death on a cross

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OneJack wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 1:28 am
Capbook wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:56 am
OneJack wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:54 pm :?:
Capbook wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:30 am
OneJack wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:25 pm
Definitely not, come to Jesus and get them from Him if you want to follow Him.
I remember you've mentioned the "Ten Commandments" on I think other forum.
Yes, the TC was our first tutorial lesson from the Lord Jesus.
Was it the same with what's in the Bible?
Actually, nothing has changed with God’s commandments from the very beginning, especially on the seventh day,

God created everything in the universe in six days. On the seventh day, He rested and was pleased with His work. He designated the seventh day as a day of worship and thanksgiving. From ancient times until now, God's command for people on the seventh day is:
*To give thanks for creation.
*Not to work for money.
*To avoid vices like drinking, gambling, and other worldly activities.
*To avoid conflicts.
*To dedicate the day to God.
Appears that your living someone expound the TC in the Bible, but why rejects Bible Jesus offers of salvation to all in faith?

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Re: modalism - obedient unto death on a cross

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:09 am
OneJack wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 1:28 am
Capbook wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:56 am
OneJack wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:54 pm :?:
Capbook wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:30 am

I remember you've mentioned the "Ten Commandments" on I think other forum.
Yes, the TC was our first tutorial lesson from the Lord Jesus.
Was it the same with what's in the Bible?
Actually, nothing has changed with God’s commandments from the very beginning, especially on the seventh day,

God created everything in the universe in six days. On the seventh day, He rested and was pleased with His work. He designated the seventh day as a day of worship and thanksgiving. From ancient times until now, God's command for people on the seventh day is:
*To give thanks for creation.
*Not to work for money.
*To avoid vices like drinking, gambling, and other worldly activities.
*To avoid conflicts.
*To dedicate the day to God.
Appears that your living someone expound the TC in the Bible, but why rejects Bible Jesus offers of salvation to all in faith?
Wake up Mr. Capbook, you’re the one who continuously reject the Lord Jesus who is always beside you, though you do not see Him.

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Re: modalism - obedient unto death on a cross

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OneJack wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 3:39 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:09 am
OneJack wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 1:28 am
Capbook wrote: Fri Nov 14, 2025 12:56 am
OneJack wrote: Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:54 pm :?:
Yes, the TC was our first tutorial lesson from the Lord Jesus.
Was it the same with what's in the Bible?
Actually, nothing has changed with God’s commandments from the very beginning, especially on the seventh day,

God created everything in the universe in six days. On the seventh day, He rested and was pleased with His work. He designated the seventh day as a day of worship and thanksgiving. From ancient times until now, God's command for people on the seventh day is:
*To give thanks for creation.
*Not to work for money.
*To avoid vices like drinking, gambling, and other worldly activities.
*To avoid conflicts.
*To dedicate the day to God.
Appears that your living someone expound the TC in the Bible, but why rejects Bible Jesus offers of salvation to all in faith?
Wake up Mr. Capbook, you’re the one who continuously reject the Lord Jesus who is always beside you, though you do not see Him.
Again, let us be clear, I've known my true living Lord Jesus from the Bible, whom died for me and offer salvation to all in faith, whom your living someone rejects.
The difference with your living someone is that he offer salvation just to those who'll hear his voice, starts 2001 and onward, not for all. Excluded were those dead Bible Christians that unheard his voice.

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