All the words and teachings of Jesus?

[Revelations won]

Does the Bible contain all the teachings and words of Jesus Christ ?

Does the Bible give indication or evidence that there are more of his teachings that we do not currently have?

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #109]

Then why need scriptures to be testimonies?
Two things:

1. For people to know that God is real and alive forever, and

2. For people to come to God to have salvation and everlasting life.

Why couldn't that be conveyed without scripture?

Actually, the Lord Himself came in the flesh to do that [without the scriptures], but the people trusted the scriptures more than they trusted God; hence, the Lord Himself had to remind them of what was written in the scriptures for them to come to Him to have life. The same is still true today, people won't believe in God without the scriptures/bible. Look at yourself, would you believe in God without the scriptures? Would you come and call on the Lord God, without consulting the bible, for your salvation and eternal life?

Did you need any scripture to come to all the knowledge you claim to have?

NO! The real and forever living Christ Jesus alone is all we need to have the wisdom coming from God.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #111]

the people trusted the scriptures more than they trusted God

What leads you to make that assumption?

the Lord Himself had to remind them of what was written in the scriptures

Why would he have to remind them of what was written in the scriptures when they still had scriptures?

Look at yourself, would you believe in God without the scriptures?

My scriptures are the wind, the mountains, the stars and the faces of those I love.


Did you need any scripture to come to all the knowledge you claim to have?

NO! The real and forever living Christ Jesus alone is all we need to have the wisdom coming from God.

But you needed the Bible to tell you that he's real?

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #111]

the people trusted the scriptures more than they trusted God

What leads you to make that assumption?

The Lord taught us that people won’t believe there is God without scriptures.

the Lord Himself had to remind them of what was written in the scriptures

Why would he have to remind them of what was written in the scriptures when they still had scriptures?

People don’t want to come to God to have salvation and eternally life, which they think they can have in obeying the commands in the scriptures.

Look at yourself, would you believe in God without the scriptures?

My scriptures are the wind, the mountains, the stars and the faces of those I love.

You claim to be a Christian, yet your scriptures are not the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, but those which you mentioned above. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself is the Living Word of God, our Living Scriptures across all generations.

Did you need any scripture to come to all the knowledge you claim to have?

NO! The real and forever living Christ Jesus alone is all we need to have the wisdom coming from God.

But you needed the Bible to tell you that he's real?

I told you, even without the Bible, the Lord Jesus may reveal Himself to whom He wishes to. The Bible points us to Jesus, and knowing Jesus is not through the Bible but through the real and forever-living Christ Jesus Himself, who is beside all people all the time across all generations.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #113]

The Lord taught us that people won’t believe there is God without scriptures.

Would you believe there is God without scriptures?

People don’t want to come to God to have salvation and eternally life, which they think they can have in obeying the commands in the scriptures.

You don't believe that the commands in scripture are the commands of God?

You claim to be a Christian

I said that I was raised in a nominally Christian home and that I have experienced a lot since then.

without the Bible, the Lord Jesus may reveal Himself to whom He wishes to

Then why does he need the Bible through which to reveal himself? You seem to be saying that he can reveal himself to anyone directly.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #113]

The Lord taught us that people won’t believe there is God without scriptures.

Would you believe there is God without scriptures?

Of course, I would. The scriptures are not the only testimony to the reality of God's existence.

People don’t want to come to God to have salvation and eternal life, which they think they can have in obeying the commands in the scriptures.

You don't believe that the commands in scripture are the commands of God?

God does not speak to and command us through the scriptures; that is one thing for sure. In the scriptures, there are copies of commands that God issued to some individuals in the old days.

You claim to be a Christian

I said that I was raised in a nominally Christian home and that I have experienced a lot since then.

What’s your present status then?

without the Bible, the Lord Jesus may reveal Himself to whom He wishes to

Then why does he need the Bible through which to reveal himself?

As I’ve said, the Bible is a book of testimonies to God that He truly exists; so we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life, not a means by which God uses to reveal Himself to us. God reveals Hinself by Himself, alive and real.

You seem to be saying that he can reveal himself to anyone directly.

Through manifestations, no one can see and hear God in His real image and voice and live.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #115]

The scriptures are not the only testimony to the reality of God's existence.

What other testimonies do you believe there to be?

God does not speak to and command us through the scriptures; that is one thing for sure. In the scriptures, there are copies of commands that God issued to some individuals in the old days.

What God said back then has nothing to do with what God says now?


I said that I was raised in a nominally Christian home and that I have experienced a lot since then.

What’s your present status then?

Fixing reason firmly in her seat, and not feeling obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

As I’ve said, the Bible is a book of testimonies to God that He truly exists; so we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life, not a means by which God uses to reveal Himself to us. God reveals Hinself by Himself, alive and real.

You're essentially saying that he reveals himself to us in a book which he doesn't use to reveal himself to us.


You seem to be saying that he can reveal himself to anyone directly.

Through manifestations

Like wind, mountains, stars and the faces of those you love?

[RBD]

Does the Bible contain all the teachings and words of Jesus Christ ?

Of course not. the Bible says not.

Does the Bible give indication or evidence that there are more of his teachings that we do not currently have?

Of course. the Bible says so.

Of course also, there are no words and works done by Jesus Christ on earth, that contradict any of His words and works recorded in the Bible.

That's what disbelievers have been trying to prove, since the words and works of Jesus Christ were recorded in the Bible.

I suppose some would say only the words and works that contradict His own words and works, were left out of the Bible. But then, we'd still have to acknowledge the infallible consistency of the recorded words and works. As well as, that of the writers that wrote them, so that they only record all words and works that never contradict each other.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #116]

The scriptures are not the only testimony to the reality of God's existence.

What other testimonies do you believe there to be?

All of His creations. God was all alone before the creation of everything.

God does not speak to and command us through the scriptures; that is one thing for sure. In the scriptures, there are copies of commands that God issued to some individuals in the old days.

What God said back then has nothing to do with what God says now?

Not exactly. God has a mouth to speak to mankind across all generations; hence, coming to and listening to God is a must for all to be saved and have eternal life.

I said that I was raised in a nominally Christian home and that I have experienced a lot since then.

What’s your present status then?

Fixing reason firmly in her seat, and not feeling obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

How did you know God endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect? Where did you learn to fix reason firmly in her seat?

As I’ve said, the Bible is a book of testimonies to God that He truly exists; so we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life, not a means by which God uses to reveal Himself to us. God reveals Hinself by Himself, alive and real.

You're essentially saying that he reveals himself to us in a book which he doesn't use to reveal himself to us.

No, that's not what I'm saying. God reveals Himself to mankind through Himself, alive and real. This is what I'm saying.

You seem to be saying that he can reveal himself to anyone directly.

Through manifestations

Like wind, mountains, stars and the faces of those you love?

Through angels and humans, cool voice, automatic writings in the air, and so on.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #118]

How did you know God endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect?

With your own belief that God is behind everything, how do you think we get our sense, reason and intellect?


You're essentially saying that he reveals himself to us in a book which he doesn't use to reveal himself to us.

No, that's not what I'm saying. God reveals Himself to mankind through Himself, alive and real. This is what I'm saying.

Then why would he have to reveal his existence through the Bible if he can just reveal himself through himself?


Like wind, mountains, stars and the faces of those you love?

Through angels and humans, cool voice, automatic writings in the air, and so on.

"Cool voice"? "Automatic writings in the air"? You would have to explain those phenomena to me.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #119]

How did you know God endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect?

With your own belief that God is behind everything, how do you think we get our sense, reason and intellect?

We heard and learned from God that He is behind everything; hence, He (God) is everything. And we get our senses, reasons, and intellects from God, who supplies us with all those things we need in our lives.

You're essentially saying that he reveals himself to us in a book which he doesn't use to reveal himself to us.

No, that's not what I'm saying. God reveals Himself to mankind through Himself, alive and real. This is what I'm saying.

Then why would he have to reveal his existence through the Bible if he can just reveal himself through himself?

God reveals His existence by Himself, not through the Bible, which is only a record of what God did in the past, though it is now an adulterated book tainted with errors and added accounts not included in the list of what God allowed to be written.

Like wind, mountains, stars and the faces of those you love?

Through angels and humans, cool voice, automatic writings in the air, and so on.

"Cool voice"? "Automatic writings in the air"? You would have to explain those phenomena to me.

Take it literally, as in you hear a cool voice above you, so with writings in the air, as in holograms.