Is church a good relationship killer?

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Is church a good relationship killer?

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I am a college sophomore and my now ex-gf is a HS junior. 3 years, 4 months and 9 days age difference. we have a problem however.

We attent two different nondenominational churches, and because of this, her father, and her mother have made me out to be a non-christian, and that i dont have jesus with me, and am bad person at heart. they have even told me this to me on the phone. (we have never met face to face)

What ended up happening was the my ex and i chose not to listen to her parents, but to sneak out to meet each other. (not at night. but like, walking to the park and such to talk)

the problem, is that her parents found out, and went on a rather rash spree, they cut us off, and turned most of my friends and her friends against me. now, most of the people i talk to believe i have done nothing but make this poor girl miserable, and have done nothing but cause her pain, and make her change for the worse.

i feel horrible, but since we have no contact, i cant explain my feelings.

I would like opinions on this, and wether the parents actions were appropriate for the situation(I.E. church being a defining factor to cancel a relationship.)

i know we could have handled her parents predjudice better, but, o well. idk. :(

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goat wrote:Areas where people marry early tend to have a higher divorce rate.
Yet those are only statistical averages. I was 22 when I married. That was 26 years ago. We knew each other 6 weeks before we became engaged and another 6 weeks until the wedding. No, she was not pregnant. We knew it was the right thing.
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of course we planned on waiting a few years after she finished school before marriage.

Would her parents course of action be considered the "norm" however? i mean, i tried/ am trying real hard to get these people to at least meet me, but no dice.

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Lostsoul wrote:lol she is 17, and i am almost 19. not creepy. and ive considered it. she is just as willing to try to keep us together as i am.

we do consider this an experience for us both, not just me looking to "hook up", and, at the college i attend, most "chicks" arent worth my time. im happy where i was at.
i just wanted to know outside opinions on how to hand the situation.

for the time being, me and her have decided to wait until december to try and start again, because we just cant seem to get through to her parents im not sick, or illegal.

i admire the help McCulloch
I've given you my opinion. You are legal, she is not. End of story. Her parents are right. Sometimes, people are right, and you are wrong. deal with it.

She is in highschool, you are not. She will(hopefully) attend another University, not yours.

Branch out. It's not about "chicks", its about 70 years down the road. I know you think she's the one, and she thinks you're the one, but, please, don't play the odds. They are not only NOT in your favor but ensure a heartbreak for one of you.

But, who ever listens to advice?

Go on and tell her parents to fuck off.

You owe it to yourself as a man, and whatever Faith you have, and to her, a human being who deserves a mate with some balls.




Oh, and get ready for a visit from the police, Sicko.



GROW UP!


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edit: BTW, I want to put this in perspective for you, Sicko.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Bennett

John A. Bennett (died April 13, 1961) was a Private First Class in the United States Army who was convicted of the rape and attempted murder of an 11-year-old Austrian girl. He was an inmate at the United States Disciplinary Barracks, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. After President John F. Kennedy personally reviewed and approved the death sentence imposed by the court-martial, Bennett was hanged, the last person to be executed by the U.S. Military as of April 2008.
wiki

Having sexual relations with any person under 18 is considered RAPE. (And how will you prove you didn't touch her privates?)

From TODAYS NEW YORK TIMES:
WASHINGTON — When the Supreme Court ruled last week that the death penalty for raping a child was unconstitutional, the majority noted that a child rapist could face the ultimate penalty in only six states — not in any of the 30 other states that have the death penalty, and not under the jurisdiction of the federal government either.
HOWEVER!!!!!!:
A military law blog pointed out over the weekend that Congress, in fact, revised the sex crimes section of the Uniform Code of Military Justice in 2006 to add child rape to the military death penalty. The revisions were in the National Defense Authorization Act that year. President Bush signed that bill into law and then, last September, carried the changes forward by issuing Executive Order 13447, which put the provisions into the 2008 edition of the Manual for Courts-Martial.

Get ready to hang, Sicko.





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Edit2: My wife has told me that I may have been callous, tactless and mean-spirited. In fact, she had a number of choice phrases that I won't repeat.

All I mean to say, and embed in your mind is this: She is a Minor. You as a legal adult are responsible for your actions (real or perceived).

However, if you started dating while you were both minors, the law would probably be forgiving or compassionate - (Something I apparently lack in this case, according to my life long love, who I met when I was 31).

I don't mean to insinuate you are a pathological sicko, just that Society has rules, wrong or right, and you WILL abide by them - as evidenced by my recent tete-a-tete with the Fed, aka, the Man.
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Daedalus, i havent ignored your opinions, i actually did read, and consider it.

However, it hold less ground than the other two people who have posted in here for the sole fact you have done nothing but call me a sicko, and mention police action. they, on the other hand have offered marvelous opinions on what course of action i should take.

first off, let me get this straight, i talk to this girl 5x a month for an hour each friday, and i get to physically see her for 2-3 mins a week. we have been in what we consider a relationshp for 8 months, and have known eachother for 2 years.

Point 2. Not once, ever, have i asked her to stay. consider that most girls are considered physically and mentally mature by the ages of 15-18. she has chosen to stay with me, and i agreed. we just wanted to know if her parents actions can be considered fair. we understand the odds, and the cahnce of sadness, but hey, if she is willing to wait on me, then i suppose i can do the same. its called faith, or stubbornness. take your pick.

if getting a hug once a week, and a phone calls require police action, then i suppose ill take my 6x10 cell.

P.S. thanks for the opinions you three, its mildly balanced, and it helps ease the decision making a bit.

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Edit2: My wife has told me that I may have been callous, tactless and mean-spirited. In fact, she had a number of choice phrases that I won't repeat.

All I mean to say, and embed in your mind is this: She is a Minor. You as a legal adult are responsible for your actions (real or perceived).

However, if you started dating while you were both minors, the law would probably be forgiving or compassionate - (Something I apparently lack in this case, according to my life long love, who I met when I was 31).

I don't mean to insinuate you are a pathological sicko, just that Society has rules, wrong or right, and you WILL abide by them - as evidenced by my recent tete-a-tete with the Fed, aka, the Man.
Imagine the people who believe ... and not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible.... It is these ignorant people�who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us...I.Asimov

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Re: Is church a good relationship killer?

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Hi, Lost soul,

What denominational churches do you attend?

Have you spoke with your minister? I think he should visit her parents along with yourself and discuss the matters at hand. If their beliefs forbid her seeing you then why would she have started seeing you. Do not do anything which will affect your education. Once you have got all your qualification you will be able to live your own lives. She is in a very awkward position because of her age.

I think you need to pray for Gods intervention and trust him that he has the future planned for you. You need to show that your willing to keep within her parents durastiction till she is old enough to decide for herself.
They need to know they can trust you and that their daughter will be treated with respect and love. So it is up to the both of your to act responsively and bring them on side.

I think it may help if your parents could talk with each other and the respective ministers. The fact is that in a few years both will be old enough and free to decide your own lives. But their is not need to hurt others or yourselves at this point.
Tell your parents about the situation and your minister and tell the girl to do the same. I think you will find a better way. You can be together without getting her pregnant. :shock:

Love Faith.xx :D

Lostsoul wrote:I am a college sophomore and my now ex-gf is a HS junior. 3 years, 4 months and 9 days age difference. we have a problem however.

We attent two different nondenominational churches, and because of this, her father, and her mother have made me out to be a non-christian, and that i dont have jesus with me, and am bad person at heart. they have even told me this to me on the phone. (we have never met face to face)

What ended up happening was the my ex and i chose not to listen to her parents, but to sneak out to meet each other. (not at night. but like, walking to the park and such to talk)

the problem, is that her parents found out, and went on a rather rash spree, they cut us off, and turned most of my friends and her friends against me. now, most of the people i talk to believe i have done nothing but make this poor girl miserable, and have done nothing but cause her pain, and make her change for the worse.

i feel horrible, but since we have no contact, i cant explain my feelings.

I would like opinions on this, and wether the parents actions were appropriate for the situation(I.E. church being a defining factor to cancel a relationship.)

i know we could have handled her parents predjudice better, but, o well. idk. :(

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Here is a biblical solution to your problem:
Genesis 29:15-20 (New American Standard Bible) wrote:Then Laban said to Jacob, "Because you are my relative, should you therefore serve me for nothing? Tell me, what shall your wages be?"
Now Laban had two daughters; the name of the older was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel. And Leah's eyes were weak, but Rachel was beautiful of form and face. Now Jacob loved Rachel, so he said, "I will serve you seven years for your younger daughter Rachel."
Laban said, "It is better that I give her to you than to give her to another man; stay with me."
So Jacob served seven years for Rachel and they seemed to him but a few days because of his love for her.
All you need to do is to offer to work for her dad for seven years in exchange for his daughter. It sounds like a good exchange to me.
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Move to England. We're legal at 16 here. Oh but she'll need to be 18 before she can marry without her parents' consent.
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Hey Lostsoul.

Quite the dilemna you have there indeed. Firstly it does seem as you're too old for this girl, but I also understand that males and females mature at different rates, so I hope you look into yourself and are sure you understand your situation, as well as 'how it looks'.

That said if you really do love this girl, then I think ms. faith has some good advice for you. Speak with your ministers and the girl's parents, and let them know you are willing to abide by the rules and limitations they set forth. I also want to second her notion to not let this derail your education. I will let the rest of her eloquent post speak for itself.

I'm not sure if McCulloch is needling you, but his idea that you work for the girls father, if applied correctly, is a good one. As before, let the father know how you care about the girl, and that you will 'jump through hoops' to prove your sincerity. (You may need to set this up through his minister)

I say all of this in the spirit that you two love each other deeply, and sincerely. If there is any doubt that this young lady is not really mature enough to make an informed decision, then all bets are off. By seeking opinion on the matter I think you really do love this girl. She, however, may be just enjoying the attentions of a 'mature' adult (no malicious intent on my part, but I know this can happen). The ladies here can expound on the notion of a young girl seeking out 'older' males, so listen to them. (Please ladies, I'm not trying to be sexist, but I know this 'older' attraction to occur, both male to female, and female to male)

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Lostsoul wrote: I am a college sophomore and my now ex-gf is a HS junior. 3 years, 4 months and 9 days age difference.
Lostsoul wrote:lol she is 17, and i am almost 19. not creepy. and ive considered it. she is just as willing to try to keep us together as i am.
Sorry, couldn't help but notice... If she's 17 and your about to turn 19 thats less than two years, yet you state your age difference as 3 years, 4 months and 9 days. Are you using Bible math? :confused2: Like 3 day's and 3 nights = 36 hours?

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