Many Christians believe in the rejoining of an incorruptible physical body with the eternal soul at the resurrection. This "resurrection of the body" doctrine is included in many affirmations of faith. However, no one composed of any flesh and blood can inherit the Kingdom of God:
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)
The ultimate goal of virtually every Christian is to spend eternity with God in heaven. But the bodily resurrection theology directly conflicts with this goal! Both cannot be true! If your soul and body are reunited, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God!
Question: If you believe Christian "souls" and physical bodies will be reunited, how can we enter the Kingdom of God and heaven?
Bodily Resurrection Dilemma?
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Jesus was resurrected from the tomb as a human, and ascended to heaven as a spirit shortly afterward. When He appeared to His disciples after being raised from the dead, they initially thought they were seeing a spirit, or ghost:Joer wrote:The tomb was truly empty when the first believers arrived, and this fact, associated with that of the undoubted resurrection of the Master, led to the formulation of a belief which was not true: the teaching that the material and mortal body of Jesus was raised from the grave.
Jesus Christ states that "a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." He was resurrected as a physical body containing flesh and bones and a need to eat food:But they were terrified and affrightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:37-39)
And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of a honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them. (Luke 24:42-43)
He took on His spiritual body shortly afterward as He ascended into heaven:
He had to become a spirit to enter heaven because flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven:And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. (Luke 24:51)
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)
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myth-one.com, you ask:
The problem you’ve encountered here is one of limited experience and a curtailed view of things we know and that which we don’t know.
When you speak of souls and bodies being reunited you are talking about souls and bodies of Flesh and blood. But what if in between the spiritual you and the flesh and blood you there exists another body that can fluctuate between Spiritual and Physical? Have you ever considered that? If there was a body that could fluctuate between Physical and Spiritual then the question you ask would have a simple solution.
The Physical body could be used here on Earth and the Spiritual in Heaven. And we’ll assume that you will be able to shape shift when you get as proficient at using that new body as Jesus was with his. Try some of these ideas even if they are fiction they do present a reasonable reality of that which we do not know and can not know unless it is revealed to us by those who do know or we experience it ourselves after our death. And then of course only by dying will we know.
0:5.10 Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to " do the will of the Father in heaven, " so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual—it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.
0:5.12 Morontia is a term designating a vast level intervening between the material and the spiritual. It may designate personal or impersonal realities, living or nonliving energies. The warp of morontia is spiritual; its woof is physical.
You heard Jesus speak of the mansion worlds. Well here's a little more on that.
47:3.1 On the mansion worlds the resurrected mortal survivors resume their lives just where they left off when overtaken by death. When you go from Urantia [Earth] to the first mansion world, you will notice considerable change, but if you had come from a more normal and progressive sphere of time, you would hardly notice the difference except for the fact that you were in possession of a different body; the tabernacle of flesh and blood has been left behind on the world of nativity.
47:4.6 Though you have morontia bodies, you continue, through all seven of these worlds, to eat, drink, and rest. You partake of the morontia order of food, a kingdom of living energy unknown on the material worlds. Both food and water are fully utilized in the morontia body; there is no residual waste. Pause to consider: Mansonia number one is a very material sphere, presenting the early beginnings of the morontia regime. You are still a near human and not far removed from the limited viewpoints of mortal life, but each world discloses definite progress. From sphere to sphere you grow less material, more intellectual, and slightly more spiritual. The spiritual progress is greatest on the last three of these seven progressive worlds.
47:9.5 You will greatly enjoy your progress through the seven dematerializing worlds; they are really demortalizing spheres. You are mostly human on the first mansion world, just a mortal being minus a material body, a human mind housed in a morontia form—a material body of the morontia world but not a mortal house of flesh and blood. You really pass from the mortal state to the immortal status at the time of Adjuster fusion, and by the time you have finished the Jerusem career, you will be full-fledged morontians.
48:2.15 While the basic morontia forms of life and matter are identical from the first mansion world to the last universe transition sphere, there is a functional progression which gradually extends from the material to the spiritual. Your adaptation to this basically uniform but successively advancing and spiritizing creation is effected by this selective re-keying. Such an adjustment in the mechanism of personality is tantamount to a new creation, notwithstanding that you retain the same morontia form.
48:2.16 You may repeatedly subject yourself to the test of these examiners, and as soon as you register adequate spiritual achievement, they will gladly certify you for advanced standing. These progressive changes result in altered reactions to the morontia environment, such as modifications in food requirements and numerous other personal practices.
190:0.3 The mortals of the realms will arise in the morning of the resurrection with the same type of transition or morontia body that Jesus had when he arose from the tomb on this Sunday morning. These bodies do not have circulating blood, ... nevertheless, these morontia forms are real. When the various believers saw Jesus after his resurrection, they really saw him; they were not the self-deceived victims of visions or hallucinations.
112:5.19 When these prerequisites of repersonalization have been assembled, the seraphic custodian of the potentialities of the slumbering immortal soul, with the assistance of numerous cosmic personalities, bestows this morontia entity upon and in the awaiting morontia mind-body form while committing this evolutionary child of the Supreme to eternal association with the waiting Adjuster. And this completes the repersonalization, reassembly of memory, insight, and consciousness—identity.
As often happens upon initial exposure certain things don’t seem to make sense. God knows there’s tons of those conflicts within the Bible. Atheist make much ado about those conflicts and aren’t very congenial to the wisdom of applying a broader understanding to solve some of the so called inconsistencies. I’ve found that over time and with continued study and discussions many of the mysteries of the Bible have become apparent to me.Question: If you believe Christian "souls" and physical bodies will be reunited, how can we enter the Kingdom of God and heaven?
The problem you’ve encountered here is one of limited experience and a curtailed view of things we know and that which we don’t know.
When you speak of souls and bodies being reunited you are talking about souls and bodies of Flesh and blood. But what if in between the spiritual you and the flesh and blood you there exists another body that can fluctuate between Spiritual and Physical? Have you ever considered that? If there was a body that could fluctuate between Physical and Spiritual then the question you ask would have a simple solution.
The Physical body could be used here on Earth and the Spiritual in Heaven. And we’ll assume that you will be able to shape shift when you get as proficient at using that new body as Jesus was with his. Try some of these ideas even if they are fiction they do present a reasonable reality of that which we do not know and can not know unless it is revealed to us by those who do know or we experience it ourselves after our death. And then of course only by dying will we know.
0:5.10 Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to " do the will of the Father in heaven, " so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual—it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.
0:5.12 Morontia is a term designating a vast level intervening between the material and the spiritual. It may designate personal or impersonal realities, living or nonliving energies. The warp of morontia is spiritual; its woof is physical.
You heard Jesus speak of the mansion worlds. Well here's a little more on that.
47:3.1 On the mansion worlds the resurrected mortal survivors resume their lives just where they left off when overtaken by death. When you go from Urantia [Earth] to the first mansion world, you will notice considerable change, but if you had come from a more normal and progressive sphere of time, you would hardly notice the difference except for the fact that you were in possession of a different body; the tabernacle of flesh and blood has been left behind on the world of nativity.
47:4.6 Though you have morontia bodies, you continue, through all seven of these worlds, to eat, drink, and rest. You partake of the morontia order of food, a kingdom of living energy unknown on the material worlds. Both food and water are fully utilized in the morontia body; there is no residual waste. Pause to consider: Mansonia number one is a very material sphere, presenting the early beginnings of the morontia regime. You are still a near human and not far removed from the limited viewpoints of mortal life, but each world discloses definite progress. From sphere to sphere you grow less material, more intellectual, and slightly more spiritual. The spiritual progress is greatest on the last three of these seven progressive worlds.
47:9.5 You will greatly enjoy your progress through the seven dematerializing worlds; they are really demortalizing spheres. You are mostly human on the first mansion world, just a mortal being minus a material body, a human mind housed in a morontia form—a material body of the morontia world but not a mortal house of flesh and blood. You really pass from the mortal state to the immortal status at the time of Adjuster fusion, and by the time you have finished the Jerusem career, you will be full-fledged morontians.
48:2.15 While the basic morontia forms of life and matter are identical from the first mansion world to the last universe transition sphere, there is a functional progression which gradually extends from the material to the spiritual. Your adaptation to this basically uniform but successively advancing and spiritizing creation is effected by this selective re-keying. Such an adjustment in the mechanism of personality is tantamount to a new creation, notwithstanding that you retain the same morontia form.
48:2.16 You may repeatedly subject yourself to the test of these examiners, and as soon as you register adequate spiritual achievement, they will gladly certify you for advanced standing. These progressive changes result in altered reactions to the morontia environment, such as modifications in food requirements and numerous other personal practices.
190:0.3 The mortals of the realms will arise in the morning of the resurrection with the same type of transition or morontia body that Jesus had when he arose from the tomb on this Sunday morning. These bodies do not have circulating blood, ... nevertheless, these morontia forms are real. When the various believers saw Jesus after his resurrection, they really saw him; they were not the self-deceived victims of visions or hallucinations.
112:5.19 When these prerequisites of repersonalization have been assembled, the seraphic custodian of the potentialities of the slumbering immortal soul, with the assistance of numerous cosmic personalities, bestows this morontia entity upon and in the awaiting morontia mind-body form while committing this evolutionary child of the Supreme to eternal association with the waiting Adjuster. And this completes the repersonalization, reassembly of memory, insight, and consciousness—identity.
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THAT would be simple??Joer wrote:If there was a body that could fluctuate between Physical and Spiritual then the question you ask would have a simple solution.
But the answer to the question is simple! If Christian "souls" and physical bodies are reunited they cannot enter the Kingdom of God and heaven because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. The correct and simple answer is that Christians are resurrected from the grave as 100% everlasting spiritual bodies, with no flesh and blood. A description of Christians being born again at the resurrection can be found in First Corinthians:
This scripture is not complicated. The Christian body that is sown or buried is described as follows:So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (I Corinthians 15:42-45)
It is sown in corruption.
It is sown in dishonor.
It is sown in weakness.
It is sown a natural body.
This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die. At the resurrection, Christians are raised up, or resurrected, as follows:
It is raised in incorruption.
It is raised in glory.
It is raised in power.
It is raised a spiritual body.
Those humans who died believing in Jesus Christ will be raised up as spiritual bodies at the resurrection. Their resurrection will seem instantaneous to them as they have had no awareness of anything since death. As this is their second birth, they are born again. No man is immortal as a consequence of being born a human. We are not born with our reward.
Post #14
I hear what your saying myth-one.com, But what about this quote you mentioned? Did you mention it to point out it was wrong?
I just thought you raise the question because you had a problem with the apparent conflict in scripture caused by that quote I just restated here.
God Bless you my friend. I join you in your love of GOD and your Free Will choice at acepting God's Free Offer of Salvation and Eternal Life.
190:5 THE WALK WITH TWO BROTHERS
190:5.1 At Emmaus, about seven miles west of Jerusalem, there lived two brothers, shepherds, who had spent the Passover week in Jerusalem attending upon the sacrifices, ceremonials, and feasts. Cleopas, the elder, was a partial believer in Jesus; at least he had been cast out of the synagogue. His brother, Jacob, was not a believer, although he was much intrigued by what he had heard about the Master's teachings and works.
190:5.2 On this Sunday afternoon, about three miles out of Jerusalem and a few minutes before five o'clock, as these two brothers trudged along the road to Emmaus, they talked in great earnestness about Jesus, his teachings, work, and more especially concerning the rumors that his tomb was empty, and that certain of the women had talked with him. Cleopas was half a mind to believe these reports, but Jacob was insistent that the whole affair was probably a fraud. While they thus argued and debated as they made their way toward home, the morontia manifestation of Jesus, his seventh appearance, came alongside them as they journeyed on. Cleopas had often heard Jesus teach and had eaten with him at the homes of Jerusalem believers on several occasions. But he did not recognize the Master even when he spoke freely with them.
190:5.3 After walking a short way with them, Jesus said: " What were the words you exchanged so earnestly as I came upon you? " And when Jesus had spoken, they stood still and viewed him with sad surprise. Said Cleopas: " Can it be that you sojourn in Jerusalem and know not the things which have recently happened? " Then asked the Master, " What things? " Cleopas replied: " If you do not know about these matters, you are the only one in Jerusalem who has not heard these rumors concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a prophet mighty in word and in deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our rulers delivered him up to the Romans and demanded that they crucify him. Now many of us had hoped that it was he who would deliver Israel from the yoke of the gentiles. But that is not all. It is now the third day since he was crucified, and certain women have this day amazed us by declaring that very early this morning they went to his tomb and found it empty. And these same women insist that they talked with this man; they maintain that he has risen from the dead. And when the women reported this to the men, two of his apostles ran to the tomb and likewise found it empty "—and here Jacob interrupted his brother to say, " but they did not see Jesus. "
190:5.4 As they walked along, Jesus said to them: " How slow you are to comprehend the truth! When you tell me that it is about the teachings and work of this man that you have your discussions, then may I enlighten you since I am more than familiar with these teachings. Do you not remember that this Jesus always taught that his kingdom was not of this world, and that all men, being the sons of God, should find liberty and freedom in the spiritual joy of the fellowship of the brotherhood of loving service in this new kingdom of the truth of the heavenly Father's love? Do you not recall how this Son of Man proclaimed the salvation of God for all men, ministering to the sick and afflicted and setting free those who were bound by fear and enslaved by evil? Do you not know that this man of Nazareth told his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, be delivered up to his enemies, who would put him to death, and that he would arise on the third day? Have you not been told all this? And have you never read in the Scriptures concerning this day of salvation for Jew and gentile, where it says that in him shall all the families of the earth be blessed; that he will hear the cry of the needy and save the souls of the poor who seek him; that all nations shall call him blessed? That such a Deliverer shall be as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land. That he will feed the flock like a true shepherd, gathering the lambs in his arms and tenderly carrying them in his bosom. That he will open the eyes of the spiritually blind and bring the prisoners of despair out into full liberty and light; that all who sit in darkness shall see the great light of eternal salvation. That he will bind up the brokenhearted, proclaim liberty to the captives of sin, and open up the prison to those who are enslaved by fear and bound by evil. That he will comfort those who mourn and bestow upon them the joy of salvation in the place of sorrow and heaviness. That he shall be the desire of all nations and the everlasting joy of those who seek righteousness. That this Son of truth and righteousness shall rise upon the world with healing light and saving power; even that he will save his people from their sins; that he will really seek and save those who are lost. That he will not destroy the weak but minister salvation to all who hunger and thirst for righteousness. That those who believe in him shall have eternal life. That he will pour out his spirit upon all flesh, and that this Spirit of Truth shall be in each believer a well of water, springing up into everlasting life. Did you not understand how great was the gospel of the kingdom which this man delivered to you? Do you not perceive how great a salvation has come upon you? "
190:5.5 By this time they had come near to the village where these brothers dwelt. Not a word had these two men spoken since Jesus began to teach them as they walked along the way. Soon they drew up in front of their humble dwelling place, and Jesus was about to take leave of them, going on down the road, but they constrained him to come in and abide with them. They insisted that it was near nightfall, and that he tarry with them. Finally Jesus consented, and very soon after they went into the house, they sat down to eat. They gave him the bread to bless, and as he began to break and hand to them, their eyes were opened, and Cleopas recognized that their guest was the Master himself. And when he said, " It is the Master —, " the morontia Jesus vanished from their sight.
190:5.6 And then they said, the one to the other, " No wonder our hearts burned within us as he spoke to us while we walked along the road! and while he opened up to our understanding the teachings of the Scriptures! "
190:5.7 They would not stop to eat. They had seen the morontia Master, and they rushed from the house, hastening back to Jerusalem to spread the good news of the risen Savior.
190:5.8 About nine o'clock that evening and just before the Master appeared to the ten, these two excited brothers broke in upon the apostles in the upper chamber, declaring that they had seen Jesus and talked with him. And they told all that Jesus had said to them and how they had not discerned who he was until the time of the breaking of the bread.
Biblical References
190:05.02 Road to Emmaus Luke 24:13-16 (Same) "And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
But their eyes were holden that they should not know him."
190:05.02 Road to Emmaus Mark 16:12 (Same) "After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country."
190:05.03 Talk about Jesus Luke 24:17-24 (Same) "And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
And he said unto them, What things?
And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not."
190:05.02 Road to Emmaus Luke 24:13-16 (Same) "And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
But their eyes were holden that they should not know him."
190:05.02 Road to Emmaus Mark 16:12 (Same) "After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country."
190:05.03 Talk about Jesus Luke 24:17-24 (Same) "And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
And he said unto them, What things?
And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not."
190:05.04 All men are sons of God+ John 1:12-13 (Same) "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
190:05.04 All men are sons of God+ John 11:52 (Same) "And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad."
190:05.04 All men are sons of God+ Romans 8:14-21 (Compare) "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."
190:05.04 Believers have eternal life+ 1 John 1:2 (Compare) "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)"
190:05.04 Believers have eternal life+ 1 John 2:25 (Compare) "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life."
190:05.04 Foretold death, resurrection+ John 14:28a (Same) "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.
If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
190:05.04 Foretold death, resurrection+ John 20:9 (Same) "For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead."
190:05.04 Foretold death, resurrection+ Luke 9:22 (Same) "Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."
190:05.04 Gospel of the kingdom John 3:3-5 (Same) "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
190:05.04 Save from sins Matthew 1:21 (Same) "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
190:05.05 Arrival and recognition Luke 24:28-31 (Same) "And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.
And he went in to tarry with them.
And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight."
190:05.06 No wonder hearts burn Luke 24:32 (Same) "And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"
190:05.07 Return to Jerusalem Luke 24:33 (Same) "And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them."
190:05.08 Good news: risen Lord Luke 24:34-35 (Same) "Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread."
190:05.08 Good news: risen Lord Mark 16:13a (Same) "And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them."
The interpretation you give about scripture as concerns being born again and the spiritual body is actually good enough. It covers the important part, our ascension as spiritual beings.Quote:
And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of a honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them. (Luke 24:42-43)
I just thought you raise the question because you had a problem with the apparent conflict in scripture caused by that quote I just restated here.
God Bless you my friend. I join you in your love of GOD and your Free Will choice at acepting God's Free Offer of Salvation and Eternal Life.
190:5 THE WALK WITH TWO BROTHERS
190:5.1 At Emmaus, about seven miles west of Jerusalem, there lived two brothers, shepherds, who had spent the Passover week in Jerusalem attending upon the sacrifices, ceremonials, and feasts. Cleopas, the elder, was a partial believer in Jesus; at least he had been cast out of the synagogue. His brother, Jacob, was not a believer, although he was much intrigued by what he had heard about the Master's teachings and works.
190:5.2 On this Sunday afternoon, about three miles out of Jerusalem and a few minutes before five o'clock, as these two brothers trudged along the road to Emmaus, they talked in great earnestness about Jesus, his teachings, work, and more especially concerning the rumors that his tomb was empty, and that certain of the women had talked with him. Cleopas was half a mind to believe these reports, but Jacob was insistent that the whole affair was probably a fraud. While they thus argued and debated as they made their way toward home, the morontia manifestation of Jesus, his seventh appearance, came alongside them as they journeyed on. Cleopas had often heard Jesus teach and had eaten with him at the homes of Jerusalem believers on several occasions. But he did not recognize the Master even when he spoke freely with them.
190:5.3 After walking a short way with them, Jesus said: " What were the words you exchanged so earnestly as I came upon you? " And when Jesus had spoken, they stood still and viewed him with sad surprise. Said Cleopas: " Can it be that you sojourn in Jerusalem and know not the things which have recently happened? " Then asked the Master, " What things? " Cleopas replied: " If you do not know about these matters, you are the only one in Jerusalem who has not heard these rumors concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a prophet mighty in word and in deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our rulers delivered him up to the Romans and demanded that they crucify him. Now many of us had hoped that it was he who would deliver Israel from the yoke of the gentiles. But that is not all. It is now the third day since he was crucified, and certain women have this day amazed us by declaring that very early this morning they went to his tomb and found it empty. And these same women insist that they talked with this man; they maintain that he has risen from the dead. And when the women reported this to the men, two of his apostles ran to the tomb and likewise found it empty "—and here Jacob interrupted his brother to say, " but they did not see Jesus. "
190:5.4 As they walked along, Jesus said to them: " How slow you are to comprehend the truth! When you tell me that it is about the teachings and work of this man that you have your discussions, then may I enlighten you since I am more than familiar with these teachings. Do you not remember that this Jesus always taught that his kingdom was not of this world, and that all men, being the sons of God, should find liberty and freedom in the spiritual joy of the fellowship of the brotherhood of loving service in this new kingdom of the truth of the heavenly Father's love? Do you not recall how this Son of Man proclaimed the salvation of God for all men, ministering to the sick and afflicted and setting free those who were bound by fear and enslaved by evil? Do you not know that this man of Nazareth told his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem, be delivered up to his enemies, who would put him to death, and that he would arise on the third day? Have you not been told all this? And have you never read in the Scriptures concerning this day of salvation for Jew and gentile, where it says that in him shall all the families of the earth be blessed; that he will hear the cry of the needy and save the souls of the poor who seek him; that all nations shall call him blessed? That such a Deliverer shall be as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land. That he will feed the flock like a true shepherd, gathering the lambs in his arms and tenderly carrying them in his bosom. That he will open the eyes of the spiritually blind and bring the prisoners of despair out into full liberty and light; that all who sit in darkness shall see the great light of eternal salvation. That he will bind up the brokenhearted, proclaim liberty to the captives of sin, and open up the prison to those who are enslaved by fear and bound by evil. That he will comfort those who mourn and bestow upon them the joy of salvation in the place of sorrow and heaviness. That he shall be the desire of all nations and the everlasting joy of those who seek righteousness. That this Son of truth and righteousness shall rise upon the world with healing light and saving power; even that he will save his people from their sins; that he will really seek and save those who are lost. That he will not destroy the weak but minister salvation to all who hunger and thirst for righteousness. That those who believe in him shall have eternal life. That he will pour out his spirit upon all flesh, and that this Spirit of Truth shall be in each believer a well of water, springing up into everlasting life. Did you not understand how great was the gospel of the kingdom which this man delivered to you? Do you not perceive how great a salvation has come upon you? "
190:5.5 By this time they had come near to the village where these brothers dwelt. Not a word had these two men spoken since Jesus began to teach them as they walked along the way. Soon they drew up in front of their humble dwelling place, and Jesus was about to take leave of them, going on down the road, but they constrained him to come in and abide with them. They insisted that it was near nightfall, and that he tarry with them. Finally Jesus consented, and very soon after they went into the house, they sat down to eat. They gave him the bread to bless, and as he began to break and hand to them, their eyes were opened, and Cleopas recognized that their guest was the Master himself. And when he said, " It is the Master —, " the morontia Jesus vanished from their sight.
190:5.6 And then they said, the one to the other, " No wonder our hearts burned within us as he spoke to us while we walked along the road! and while he opened up to our understanding the teachings of the Scriptures! "
190:5.7 They would not stop to eat. They had seen the morontia Master, and they rushed from the house, hastening back to Jerusalem to spread the good news of the risen Savior.
190:5.8 About nine o'clock that evening and just before the Master appeared to the ten, these two excited brothers broke in upon the apostles in the upper chamber, declaring that they had seen Jesus and talked with him. And they told all that Jesus had said to them and how they had not discerned who he was until the time of the breaking of the bread.
Biblical References
190:05.02 Road to Emmaus Luke 24:13-16 (Same) "And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
But their eyes were holden that they should not know him."
190:05.02 Road to Emmaus Mark 16:12 (Same) "After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country."
190:05.03 Talk about Jesus Luke 24:17-24 (Same) "And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
And he said unto them, What things?
And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not."
190:05.02 Road to Emmaus Luke 24:13-16 (Same) "And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
But their eyes were holden that they should not know him."
190:05.02 Road to Emmaus Mark 16:12 (Same) "After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country."
190:05.03 Talk about Jesus Luke 24:17-24 (Same) "And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
And he said unto them, What things?
And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not."
190:05.04 All men are sons of God+ John 1:12-13 (Same) "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
190:05.04 All men are sons of God+ John 11:52 (Same) "And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad."
190:05.04 All men are sons of God+ Romans 8:14-21 (Compare) "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."
190:05.04 Believers have eternal life+ 1 John 1:2 (Compare) "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)"
190:05.04 Believers have eternal life+ 1 John 2:25 (Compare) "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life."
190:05.04 Foretold death, resurrection+ John 14:28a (Same) "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.
If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
190:05.04 Foretold death, resurrection+ John 20:9 (Same) "For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead."
190:05.04 Foretold death, resurrection+ Luke 9:22 (Same) "Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."
190:05.04 Gospel of the kingdom John 3:3-5 (Same) "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
190:05.04 Save from sins Matthew 1:21 (Same) "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
190:05.05 Arrival and recognition Luke 24:28-31 (Same) "And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.
And he went in to tarry with them.
And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight."
190:05.06 No wonder hearts burn Luke 24:32 (Same) "And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"
190:05.07 Return to Jerusalem Luke 24:33 (Same) "And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them."
190:05.08 Good news: risen Lord Luke 24:34-35 (Same) "Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread."
190:05.08 Good news: risen Lord Mark 16:13a (Same) "And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them."
