Dying man's wish

[McCulloch]

Hospice Helps Dying Man Lose His Virginity
22-year-old Nick Wallis, who has muscular dystrophy, had hoped to experience sex before he died. After telling staff at the Douglas House hospice in Oxford of his wish, they decided to help him, reported London's Daily Telegraph.
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"I found an advert from a sex worker in a magazine for the disabled," Wallis said. "The initial contact was by email and then by phone."
It was arranged for the prostitute to visit Wallis' home while his parents went out.

"It was a decision two years in the making and I discussed it with my carers and my parents. Telling my mother and father was the hardest part, but in the end they gave me their support," Wallis told the Telegraph.

The hospice staff consulted a solicitor, clergy, and health care professionals before agreeing to assist Wallis.
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"It is not our job to make moral decisions for our guests. We came to the conclusion that it was our duty of care to support Nick emotionally and to help ensure his physical safety."

Question for debate, is this morally and ethically right? Why or why not?

[Furrowed Brow]

Wow that story makes me sad. Personally, I'm pretty libertarian, so if there's no victim, then there's no crime. Err, I'm not considering British law though because I don't know what it is.

In Britain, 'sex workers' are legal, although brothels are illegal. I looked it up when I saw this article. I was surprised to see how much of the Western countries have legal prostitution.

I once worked for a local weekly newspaper. There are hundreds/thousands of these kinds of paper up and down the UK. They report stuff going on within the local council, they follow the local football team, they report crime and do all the usual reporting you would expect from a local paper. Each week they also contain two to three pages of advertising offering the services of escorts and masseuses. It is a billion pound industry. (These days there is also a large element of human traffiking from eastern Europe involved).

To directly tackle the OP. I think it is the prostitute we should be thinking of not the poor guy or the nun. Ok I guess there might be plenty of well balanced nice intelligent sex workers totally happy to be supplying the service they provide, with no obvious detriment to themselves or others (though I think they would be a very small minority) On the whole I tend to see them as being exploited, even if they are doing it quite voluntary and are making a substantial living. So even if I was a dying virgin, I'd be unable to escape the notion that I was exploiting another human being. If I was so desperate I went ahead anyway, then that feeling of guilt would just be messing with my mind.

[Beta]

V44 , a weak response ?
So typical coming from someone who wants to negate the Word of God.

Goat , I don't think we are discussing civil Law here but the Word of God.

Mr.McC , both you and Confused seem to think it's ok for a man to have pre-marital sex but not for a woman. How odd - who are they going to have sex with ? (God does not approve of all the abominations man has invented).
You quote something from the OT of which we read nothing in detail in the NT. What we do read is simple and plain for all to understand - fornicators (having a habitual sex-life before marriage) and whoremongers (working sex-trade) shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
1Thes.4v3 , 1Cor.6v9 , and many more. Since it does not particularly mention male or female both are included since God is no respecter of persons.
So the simple instruction is for those who profess themselves Christians to repent and mend their ways whilst those remaining on the outside will bear their punishment. What could be simpler than that ?

[Goat]

V44 , a weak response ?
So typical coming from someone who wants to negate the Word of God.

Goat , I don't think we are discussing civil Law here but the Word of God.

I don't think you understand the 'Word of God'. You have this concept that you are trying to force upon everyone else. But you see, you are not God, not any more than I am, or for that matter Jesus was.

I suggest you read Psalm 82:6, or perhaps John 10:34.

[Beta]

Goat , I would not dare to presume to be God , but I believe we are supposed to speak the words of God. You consider that being forced on you ? Should we not let God speak ?
If you only want to hear personal opinions I am not the person to talk to. Sorry if you are offended.

[Goat]

Goat , I would not dare to presume to be God , but I believe we are supposed to speak the words of God. You consider that being forced on you ? Should we not let God speak ?
If you only want to hear personal opinions I am not the person to talk to. Sorry if you are offended.

I just find you presumptious to think that YOU are the carrier of the "Word of God" and have the absolutely right interpretation of what is written.

I don't think you know the word of God. Your arrogance demonstrates you do not.

[ManBearPig]

In Beta's defense, I don't see anywhere in this thread where she has "forced" her morals upon others. I mean, the topic was "do you find this ethical or not?" and she answered the question. What else was she supposed to say?

[Goat]

In Beta's defense, I don't see anywhere in this thread where she has "forced" her morals upon others. I mean, the topic was "do you find this ethical or not?" and she answered the question. What else was she supposed to say?

She basically said 'If you disagree with the word of God, you are in trouble'. and said if they disagree with 'THe word of GOd', they are calling God a liar.

That is what I was refering to.

[Vladd44]

V44 , a weak response ?
So typical coming from someone who wants to negate the Word of God.

Yes, a weak response. You condemn actions, but try to hide behind the skirt of your god. That is about as weak as it gets.

Perhaps you should read what I wrote, rather than simply see agnostic under my name and make short sighted presumptions.

I will reiterate what I said earlier......

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If YOU think the WORD OF GOD says it is wrong, was it so much of a stretch for McCulloch to think that YOU PERSONALLY would agree with the "WORD OF GOD" ?

Especially if the WORD OF GOD is what counts.
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Irony is, I didnt even discuss the logic or rationale of your bible, just commented in your poor attempt to condemn someones actions, while at the same time trying to imply the condemnation came from elsewhere.

Since you don't want to actually take a position (at least it seems that way from this viewpoint). Perhaps I should be more direct in my comments.

Do YOU beta agree with YOUR interpretation of YOUR bible that would condemn the actions this thread is about (22yr old dying man not wanting to die a virgin, and someone hooking him up).

If you agree (with your bible), then why be so mealy mouthed about admitting it? Do you just prefer to spread insults around, or is there some other reason you abstain from admitting you find their actions wrong?

If you disagree (with your bible), then why even bring what it says up?

Care to actually respond this time to the question asked? Or is just calling me a typical unbeliever, judging me as someone who "wants to negate the Word of God" and smugly typing meaningless words once again more entertaining.

So typical coming from someone who wants to negate the Word of God.

So typical of someone who is in love with the sound of their fingers pressing against the keyboard.

I see why you call yourself beta, your definitely not ready for primetime.

[McCulloch]

Moderator Warning

So typical of someone who is in love with the sound of their fingers pressing against the keyboard.

I see why you call yourself beta, your definitely not ready for primetime.

Vladd, please refrain from making personal insults.

Note from the grammar police: you're not your.

[Beta]

Goat , I would not dare to presume to be God , but I believe we are supposed to speak the words of God. You consider that being forced on you ? Should we not let God speak ?
If you only want to hear personal opinions I am not the person to talk to. Sorry if you are offended.

I just find you presumptious to think that YOU are the carrier of the "Word of God" and have the absolutely right interpretation of what is written.

I don't think you know the word of God. Your arrogance demonstrates you do not.

ANYBODY can carry the word of God as long as it has biblical substance - I am nobody special. When we use scripture as proof of our belief we don't need to interpret anything. Why should we argue about something that is as plain as the nose on your face or mine ? I find it's best to be short and to the point than cloud it with personal views and opinions , that's all - it's just my way.
I'd appreciate if you could show me where I have interpreted so we can put it right.