Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?

[Diogenes]

Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Asking because how and why would Noah have collected the approximately 140,000 species of flies in the world today?
Or the more than 3000 species of mosquitoes?
Not to mention disease causing viruses, parasites, and bacteria like Mycobacterium leprae or Mycobacterium lepromatosis that cause leprosy?
I mean, did they collect this stuff in petri dishes or did God lead Noah to choose infected animals?

[fredonly]

Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?

I believe the Bible story is true. It is the most reasonable explanation why dry land looks what it looks like.

Have you studied geology? Here's a set of articles by geologists who show many reasons why the earth's geology is inconsistent with a global flood:

https://web.archive.org/web/20091207143 ... eology.htm

[1213]

Have you studied geology?

Enough to think they are wrong, if they think the great flood didn't happen.

[lastdaysbeliever]

Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Asking because how and why would Noah have collected the approximately 140,000 species of flies in the world today?
Or the more than 3000 species of mosquitoes?
Not to mention disease causing viruses, parasites, and bacteria like Mycobacterium leprae or Mycobacterium lepromatosis that cause leprosy?
I mean, did they collect this stuff in petri dishes or did God lead Noah to choose infected animals?

Hello Diogenes,

It's been a minute since I've read such a blatant loaded question.

[Richard Aberdeen]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

NOAH: The Hebrew "kol eretz" (or "erets") is translated in KJV as referring to the whole earth in the story of Noah. But in the story of Abraham, found later in the same book of Genesis, the KJV translation for the same "kol eretz" refers to the local region of Ur and not the whole earth.

The same Hebrew word is often used as referring to country, region or land, such as the "land" of Israel elsewhere in the Bible. Hebrew, like Greek and English, contains many words with multiple meanings and thus, it is sometimes merely a translator's opinion how a Hebrew or Greek word with multiple meanings should be translated.

If the story of Noah is about a great regional flood, it remains accurate as far as history and science knows Genesis 6. At least two other cultures have a record of a great regional flood. There is strong evidence for a great regional flood around the time of Noah.

More Info on Noah and Other Biblical History Here:
www.FreedomTracks.com/revolutionb.html

[Richard Aberdeen]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

NOAH: The Hebrew "kol eretz" (or "erets") is translated in KJV as referring to the whole earth in the story of Noah. But in the story of Abraham, found later in the same book of Genesis, the KJV translation refers to the local region of Ur and not the whole earth.

The same Hebrew word is often used as referring to country, region or land, such as the "land" of Israel elsewhere in the Bible. Hebrew, like Greek and English, contains many words with multiple meanings and thus, it is sometimes merely a translator's opinion how a Hebrew or Greek word with multiple meanings should be translated.

If the story of Noah is about a great regional flood, it remains accurate as far as history and science knows Genesis 6. At least two other cultures have a record of a great regional flood. There is strong evidence for a great regional flood. When a word has more than one meaning, it is plainly wrong to assume one meaning over the other, when in fact it is translated differently in the same book.

More Info on Noah and other Biblical History Here:
www.FreedomTracks.com/revolutionb.html

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

NOAH: The Hebrew "kol eretz" (or "erets") is translated in KJV as referring to the whole earth in the story of Noah. But in the story of Abraham, found later in the same book of Genesis, the KJV translation refers to the local region of Ur and not the whole earth....

Please show the scripture.

In the Bible earth means dry land. And in the flood, all dry land was covered with water.

God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear," and it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas. God saw that it was good.
Gen. 1:9-10
The waters grew strong, fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.
Gen. 7:20
All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.
Gen. 7:22

[Drich]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?

yes.

Asking because how and why would Noah have collected the approximately 140,000 species of flies in the world today?

the Bible does not say Noah had to fund and load up every species of organism on the planet. If you read gen 7 God gather the animals: 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah.

Or the more than 3000 species of mosquitoes?

Also "Kind" would referred to family or order in the taxonomic rank (how we classify different groupings of related organisms.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomic_rank ) Not Species.
Meaning God did not have to load up 160,000 different species of flies.. He just needed to load up a few of the progenitors of the order Diptera. (Which is who all two winged flies belong to.) This is true across the board.

מִין mîyn, meen; Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
kind, sometimes a species (usually of animals)
Groups of living organisms belong in the same created "kind" if they have descended from the same ancestral gene pool. This does not preclude new species because this represents a partitioning of the original gene pool. Information is lost or conserved—not gained. A new species could arise when a population is isolated and inbreeding occurs. By this definition a new species is not a new "kind" but a further partitioning of an existing "kind".
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon ... v/wlc/0-1/

Not to mention disease causing viruses, parasites, and bacteria like Mycobacterium leprae or Mycobacterium lepromatosis that cause leprosy? God loaded 2 pairs
I mean, did they collect this stuff in petri dishes or did God lead Noah to choose infected animals?

God order Moses to load up 7 pairs of clean animals, and 2 pairs of unclean. why is it such a leap of faith to say that these organisms you're asking about did not infect/lay dormant in the unclean or clean animals?

[RBD]

Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Does Anyone still take the Noah's Ark Fable literally?
Asking because how and why would Noah have collected the approximately 140,000 species of flies in the world today?
Or the more than 3000 species of mosquitoes?
Not to mention disease causing viruses, parasites, and bacteria like Mycobacterium leprae or Mycobacterium lepromatosis that cause leprosy?
I mean, did they collect this stuff in petri dishes or did God lead Noah to choose infected animals?

2Ti 2:23
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

Do you think you please your god when you use its supposed sacred text to insult those who back you into a logical corner when you are unlearned of the topic at hand?

Matthew 7:22-23:

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Don't you know the foolishness of attempting to insult others by quoting their own sacred text, that you reject as foolish?

I'm always glad to answer a good challenge to the Bible, but not foolish questions. Nor do accept anyone telling me how to believe in a Book, that they foolishly reject.

Your gazillions of insect theory is foolish. It does nothing to prove any contradiction within the text.

Of course, if the Bible ever says that all the creatures on Noah's ark would remain the same kind and number, without multiplying in kind and number as before the flood, then yes. You would prove an impossible error in the Bible, by the common sense observation of all the kinds and numbers of creatures on earth, that could not possibly have been all on one ark at one time.

Other than that, trying to showcase your microbiologic entomological brilliance, is just a waste of time for serious Bible readers and challengers.

[Carnivalfaces]

[Replying to RBD in post #18]

Don't you know the foolishness of attempting to insult others by quoting their own sacred text, that you reject as foolish?

Bringing up inconsistencies in faith systems is insulting to you?

I'm always glad to answer a good challenge to the Bible, but not foolish questions. Nor do accept anyone telling me how to believe in a Book, that they foolishly reject.

Sounds like a cop out.

Your gazillions of insect theory is foolish. It does nothing to prove any contradiction within the text.

Yet you offer no explanation just like you can't explain why there is NO evidence of kangaroos on Mt Ararat or tracks leading back to Australia.

Of course, if the Bible ever says that all the creatures on Noah's ark would remain the same kind and number, without multiplying in kind and number as before the flood, then yes. You would prove an impossible error in the Bible, by the common sense observation of all the kinds and numbers of creatures on earth, that could not possibly have been all on one ark at one time.

Um, you might want to try again here as that doesn't make much sense. How did penguins get to the ark and is there evidence to support they made it?

Other than that, trying to showcase your microbiologic entomological brilliance, is just a waste of time for serious Bible readers and challengers.

Because you bury your head in the sand when it comes to facts that destroy your fairytale narrative.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #18]

Don't you know the foolishness of attempting to insult others by quoting their own sacred text, that you reject as foolish?

Bringing up inconsistencies in faith systems is insulting to you?

I'm always glad to answer a good challenge to the Bible, but not foolish questions. Nor do accept anyone telling me how to believe in a Book, that they foolishly reject.

Sounds like a cop out.

Your gazillions of insect theory is foolish. It does nothing to prove any contradiction within the text.

Yet you offer no explanation just like you can't explain why there is NO evidence of kangaroos on Mt Ararat or tracks leading back to Australia.

Of course, if the Bible ever says that all the creatures on Noah's ark would remain the same kind and number, without multiplying in kind and number as before the flood, then yes. You would prove an impossible error in the Bible, by the common sense observation of all the kinds and numbers of creatures on earth, that could not possibly have been all on one ark at one time.

Um, you might want to try again here as that doesn't make much sense. How did penguins get to the ark and is there evidence to support they made it?

Other than that, trying to showcase your microbiologic entomological brilliance, is just a waste of time for serious Bible readers and challengers.

Because you bury your head in the sand when it comes to facts that destroy your fairytale narrative.

And so, you have nothing from the Bible suggesting that the multitudes of creatures dying in the flood, would never be replace. Therefore, them being replaced in kind and multitude does not contradict the Bible.

Unless there's something new, time to move on. Thanks.