To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?

[Avoice]

If we could turn the clock back 2500 who would have been your God?

[bjs1]

If we could turn the clock back 2500 who would have been your God?

I suspect it would be the same as today. We would believe in the god concepts of our geography. Why would it be any different after all?

This seems like circular reasoning. That is, if we assume that our birth place/time is random, and there is no God overseeing the course of history, then our belief (or lack of belief) in any god would be equally random. We would believe in “the god concepts of our geography.”

This requires us to assume the conclusion is true to show that the conclusion is true, which is the definition of Begging the Question.
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[Clownboat]

I suspect it would be the same as today. We would believe in the god concepts of our geography. Why would it be any different after all?

This seems like circular reasoning.

It's not because the conclusion is true.

"Global religion is heavily influenced by geography, with major faiths concentrated in specific regions."

We would believe in “the god concepts of our geography.”

The major faiths do concentrate in specific regions. Religion because of geography is the main driving factor for why someone belongs to a specific religion. Acknowledging when this doesn't take place of course.

This requires us to assume the conclusion is true

No need to assume.

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #12]

"Global religion is heavily influenced by geography, with major faiths concentrated in specific regions."

What would this have to do with any of these religions being true or false?

[bjs1]

I suspect it would be the same as today. We would believe in the god concepts of our geography. Why would it be any different after all?

This seems like circular reasoning.

It's not because the conclusion is true.

"Global religion is heavily influenced by geography, with major faiths concentrated in specific regions."

We would believe in “the god concepts of our geography.”

The major faiths do concentrate in specific regions. Religion because of geography is the main driving factor for why someone belongs to a specific religion. Acknowledging when this doesn't take place of course.

This requires us to assume the conclusion is true

No need to assume.

I notice that there was no response to my line, “If we assume that our birth place/time is random, and there is no God overseeing the course of history, then our belief (or lack of belief) in any god would be equally random.”

So this post responded to everything except where I laid out that having a random birth time/place requires believing that there is no God.

The assumption is that when/where each individual is born is random, so it could have been different than what it is.

The conclusion is that our religious beliefs could be different than what they are because of when/where we are born, since when/where we are born is random.

The conclusion is one of the things we must assume is true from the start. That is the definition of Begging the Question, which is a form of circular reasoning.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #12]

"Global religion is heavily influenced by geography, with major faiths concentrated in specific regions."

What would this have to do with any of these religions being true or false?

Nothing, but remember the topic is 'who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago'.
Like today, I assume most would worship the god of their geography, whether that god is real or not matters not to this observation.

[Clownboat]

I notice that there was no response to my line, “If we assume that our birth place/time is random, and there is no God overseeing the course of history, then our belief (or lack of belief) in any god would be equally random.”

It's not though. Reality shows us that people tend to believe in a god concept due to geography. Therefore, which god a group of people believe in is not random and is in fact predictable.
Consider Spain compared to India compared to Iran and you will see the truth of my words.

So this post responded to everything except where I laid out that having a random birth time/place requires believing that there is no God.

I find this to be a very odd point of contention. Please inform us what a random birth place is. The time and place of my birth was not random, was yours? What are you even on about? Clarity is needed if you have a point to make.

The assumption is that when/where each individual is born is random, so it could have been different than what it is.

Your assumption is incorrect. My time of birth and where I would be born were all predicted ahead of time.

The conclusion is that our religious beliefs could be different than what they are because of when/where we are born, since when/where we are born is random.

Random means nothing when we are acknowledging the fact that people tend to worship the god of their geography.

The conclusion is one of the things we must assume is true from the start. That is the definition of Begging the Question, which is a form of circular reasoning.

It seems that you are assuming that are birth time and place is random. Why are you doing that?

People in fact due tend to worship the god of their geography. You can either acknowledge the truth of this or explain why it is not true and people actually tend to not worship the god concepts of their geography.

[William]

If we could turn the clock back 2500 who would have been your God?

Corner Scuffle = Closed-logic combat zone

Vaster Field = Consciousness, Meaning, Mystery

Neutral Zone = Liminal bridge space

Theism = One of many valid conduits for contact

IF we exist within a creation, THEN we likely inherited our notions from the Conscious Source which created it.

[bjs1]

Please inform us what a random birth place is. The time and place of my birth was not random, was yours?

I agree with you that the time and place of my birth (and yours) was not random. Something which is not random is intentional. This means two things.

1. An intelligence of some kind exists which is capable of setting the time and place of our births so that we are not random.

2. It is impossible for either of us to have been born 2,500 years ago. The time and place of our births were intentionally set (not random), so it is nonsense to suggest that those times and places could be anything other than what they were.

[Clownboat]

Please inform us what a random birth place is. The time and place of my birth was not random, was yours?

I agree with you that the time and place of my birth (and yours) was not random. Something which is not random is intentional. This means two things.

1. An intelligence of some kind exists which is capable of setting the time and place of our births so that we are not random.

2. It is impossible for either of us to have been born 2,500 years ago. The time and place of our births were intentionally set (not random), so it is nonsense to suggest that those times and places could be anything other than what they were.

I bolded your error. It is not nonsense we are discussing, since we are discussing a hypothetical and my answer is a direct response to that hypothetical question. (See the thread topic if needed).

I didn't initially respond to this question because I found it to be irrelevant. I still do, but since you requested a response, I provided one.
Now it is your turn:
People in fact due tend to worship the god of their geography. You can either acknowledge the truth of this or explain why it is not true and people actually tend to not worship the god concepts of their geography.
This should be addressed because it is what drives my debate answer that I would most likely worship the god concept of my geography. Why do you not want to discuss what drives my thinking and instead want to talk about whether births are random or not which seems to fully be nothing but a distraction to avoid discussing the hypothetical that this post is about?

[Tcg]

If we could turn the clock back 2500 who would have been your God?

It'd be the same as now. I believe in no gods now I would have believed in none then.


Tcg