To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?
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Re: To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?
Post #2I suspect it would be the same as today. We would believe in the god concepts of our geography. Why would it be any different after all?
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Post #3[Replying to Avoice in post #1]
There is no way for me to know that, but I would like to think I would have had enough faith to come to know God as I do now.
There is no way for me to know that, but I would like to think I would have had enough faith to come to know God as I do now.
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Re: To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?
Post #5Jesus is God, so you are asking do I need God to believe in God. Yes. I need God just to have faith.Avoice wrote: ↑Tue Dec 23, 2025 5:47 am [Replying to AquinasForGod in post #3]
Do you need Jesus to believe in God?
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Re: To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?
Post #6[Replying to AquinasForGod in post #5]
Before the birth of Jesus no one had heard of him.
So my question is who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago? Would it have been the God of Israel? The God who gave the laws, judgements and statutes at Sinai?
Before the birth of Jesus no one had heard of him.
So my question is who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago? Would it have been the God of Israel? The God who gave the laws, judgements and statutes at Sinai?
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Re: To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?
Post #7So, 475 B.C. or so? Do we live in Jerusalem? If so, the Second Temple is probably about twenty-five years old:
If, instead, I'm living where at least one of my ethnic ancestors lived, then I'm probably either a Celtic pagan or a Zoroastrian.When the Persians defeated the Babylonians and took over their territories, Judah came under Persian rule, but there was no fighting in Palestine, and the Jews were not particularly affected. Over the next decades some Jews returned from Babylonia, though the numbers were probably small, and the temple was rebuilt, probably by about 500 BCE.—Lester L. Grabbe, An Introduction to Second Temple Judaism, p. 3
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Re: To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?
Post #8[Replying to Difflugia in post #7]
[Replying to Difflugia in post #7]
So then your faith is based on location? So if you moved to Japan you would be Buddhist?
Celtic pagan or Zoroatrian. I didnt ask what you would have been. I asked who would have been your God?
Whoever that (yet to be named God is) why did you stop worshipping that God?
Are you telling me that you still believe that the borders of countries determine the truth of God?
Could you be a Celtic Pagan today? Or Zoroastrian? In the place where you live now? How about if you moved to within the ancient borders where it was practiced? Would you worship their Gods?
Why is Jesus your God now? How did you determine you were wrong in the ancient days? How do you know you arent wrong about Jesus? Did you not become a believer in Jesus based on geography? Youve already proved to yourself that faith based on location is weak. I mean, here you are once again following a God because hes the God that your neighbors worship.
It seems to me that you could easily walk away from Jesus. You walked away from your other Gods.
You talked about the second temple and the Babylonian exile. You learned about that from the Jews. Their Hebrew Scriptures.
Judaism is the root of Christianity. If you truly believed in Christianity your answer to my question should have been that you would have worshipped the God of Israel. But you didnt. You can not be a Christian without the existance of Jews and Judaism. Its impossible.
If the clock was turned backwards you would reject Judaism. Instead of choosing to worship the God of Israel you would choose a pagan religion. Jesus was a Jew . But you would have been a pagan. So, you worship a Jew who quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures which you would have rejected if you went back in time. How do you worship jesus when you reject what he believed?
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So then your faith is based on location? So if you moved to Japan you would be Buddhist?
Celtic pagan or Zoroatrian. I didnt ask what you would have been. I asked who would have been your God?
Whoever that (yet to be named God is) why did you stop worshipping that God?
Are you telling me that you still believe that the borders of countries determine the truth of God?
Could you be a Celtic Pagan today? Or Zoroastrian? In the place where you live now? How about if you moved to within the ancient borders where it was practiced? Would you worship their Gods?
Why is Jesus your God now? How did you determine you were wrong in the ancient days? How do you know you arent wrong about Jesus? Did you not become a believer in Jesus based on geography? Youve already proved to yourself that faith based on location is weak. I mean, here you are once again following a God because hes the God that your neighbors worship.
It seems to me that you could easily walk away from Jesus. You walked away from your other Gods.
You talked about the second temple and the Babylonian exile. You learned about that from the Jews. Their Hebrew Scriptures.
Judaism is the root of Christianity. If you truly believed in Christianity your answer to my question should have been that you would have worshipped the God of Israel. But you didnt. You can not be a Christian without the existance of Jews and Judaism. Its impossible.
If the clock was turned backwards you would reject Judaism. Instead of choosing to worship the God of Israel you would choose a pagan religion. Jesus was a Jew . But you would have been a pagan. So, you worship a Jew who quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures which you would have rejected if you went back in time. How do you worship jesus when you reject what he believed?
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Re: To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?
Post #9If I had the opportunity to learn about Him, I would surely have worshipped the same God I worship today, the God of Abraham ... namely : YHWH (Jehovah) Almighty God Creator of the Universe.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS
Two excellent books I can recommend are
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS
Two excellent books I can recommend are
Mankind's search for God (pub Jehovahs Witnesses availabe fre online audio/pdf)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/56591
and Alexander Hislop's famous : The Two Babylons. (also free - downloadable from the internet)
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Re: To Christians: Who would you have worshipped 2500 years ago?
Post #10[Replying to Avoice in post #8]
Do you really believe any thinking person would not have already thought of such an argument? I mean, we all know that most folks who are religious, adhere to the dominant religion of the location of where they live. Moreover, I can tell you that most Christians were brought up as Christians, and most of these Christians do not really know what they believe, nor why they believe as they do. Does any thinking person really believe that any of this has a thing in the world to do with whether what these folks think they believe would be true, or false? I guess my question is, what is the point of bringing up such an obvious point, which has been brought up over, and over, and has no bearing upon the truth in the least?
Do you really believe any thinking person would not have already thought of such an argument? I mean, we all know that most folks who are religious, adhere to the dominant religion of the location of where they live. Moreover, I can tell you that most Christians were brought up as Christians, and most of these Christians do not really know what they believe, nor why they believe as they do. Does any thinking person really believe that any of this has a thing in the world to do with whether what these folks think they believe would be true, or false? I guess my question is, what is the point of bringing up such an obvious point, which has been brought up over, and over, and has no bearing upon the truth in the least?
