Christian Mental Health

[jcrawford]

As a Christian Mental Health practitioner, I sometimes wonder who gets to define and set the standards by which the state measures and determines the mental health of its citizens and schoolchildren.

Obviously, the ready answer on the lips of non-Christians is that state certified psychologists and psychiatrists alone should define and set the standards governing the mental health of all of its citizens. But this raises a problem for Christians who practice their own religious form of mental health therapy since secularists in government are opposed to any competition in the mental health fields from Christians who claim that the many psychological abuses of mental health treatments in US public schools constitute a violation of their civil right to choice in therapeutic treatments of their minds and souls.

Question for discussion and debate: Should Christian mental health be used as a standard for systems of comparitive mental health? If not, why not, and what justification is there for secular humanists in government judging the mental health of Christians if a Christian Mental Health system is superior to any other.

[Cathar1950]

Who authorizes soul-killing secular psychiatrists to operate on Christian brains?

I want you to show me where “soul-killing” secular psychiatrists are operating on Christian brains.
Show me where psychiatrists are working on Christian brains.

Show me the souls that have been killed.

Nazis don’t count, as they are not psychiatrists in this country.

You’re just ranting inflammatory remarks with no substance.

One thing about psychiatrists in a secular culture, not matter what they believe they are responsible in court and to there governing bodies.
Unlike the religious methodology they can’t just blame the victim and are subject to laws against quackery and fraud. Where you can after people have killed themselves, just say it was because they weren’t Christian because a Christian doesn’t commit suicide.

[jcrawford]

Show me how someone who is pushing the cult of scientology is qualified.

Show me how members of the cults of psychoanalysis and psychiatry can analyze Christian minds and souls?

As soon as you show me that Christians do, indeed, have souls.

It is a presupposed and given fact in their religion.

Show me your psyche and I will bare my soul.

[Cathar1950]

Who authorizes soul-killing secular psychiatrists to operate on Christian brains?

I want you to show me where “soul-killing” secular psychiatrists are operating on Christian brains.
Show me where psychiatrists are working on Christian brains.

Show me the souls that have been killed.

Nazis don’t count, as they are not psychiatrists in this country.

You’re just ranting inflammatory remarks with no substance.

One thing about psychiatrists in a secular culture, not matter what they believe they are responsible in court and to there governing bodies.
Unlike the religious methodology they can’t just blame the victim and are subject to laws against quackery and fraud. Where you can after people have killed themselves, just say it was because they weren’t Christian because a Christian doesn’t commit suicide.

If someone is depressed they should find out what is depressing them rather than just getting high on drugs. Otherwise they run the risk of becoming dope addicts and severely damaging their brain and wasting their minds.

Anti-depressants don’t get you high and shows your lack of knowledge.
They don’t get hooked on them and they don’t damage brains. Do you have proof of this?
Also I want to know;
I want you to show me where “soul-killing” secular psychiatrists are operating on Christian brains.
Show me where psychiatrists are working on Christian brains.

Show me the souls that have been killed.

[jcrawford]

Also why would those on anti-depressants be depressed every day? If they are working, they would not be depressed.

If they weren't depressed to being with, they wouldn't be given anti-depressents

But if they take the ant-depressants they would not be depressed every day.

I don't think JC here would take depression as a illness or disease.

Show me how members of the cults of psychoanalysis and psychiatry can analyze Christian minds and souls?

I don't think they are cults. I don't know about you.
But if they are crazy they are crazy even if they are Christians.

[micatala]

Suicides only result from psychopharmaceutical drug use. Christians don't commit suicide.

Perhaps jcrawford can also document these claims. The last two would be particularly interesting, if they were true.

http://www.psychsearch.net/teenscreen.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n16537438

http://whale.to/drugs/suicide.html

http://www.munley.com/drugs/accutane.html

The first site, while interesting, is entirely irrelevant to the claims made. If the claims made in this article are true, they would be concerning. I have no problem addressing actual documented problems. My personal view is that overblown hyperbolic and untrue rhetoric is not constructive, however. Suffice it to say I would support further investigation into teen screen and would oppose its implementation if it were found to cause more harm than good.

The last three sites indicate that there may be some evidence that some drugs increase ones risk of suicide. I certainly don't disagree with this.

However, this does not establish the second claim. The claim was that suicide ONLY results from psychopharmaceutical drug use. I hope jcrawford realizes that this means he must show that every single suicide that occurs is caused by drugs. THese citations don't even come close to doing that.

In fact, the Bible even shows jcrawford's claim is false.

Would jcrawford have us believe that Judas killed himself because he was on prozac?



Finally, no evidence was offered to support the first claim. In fact, to the extent that Judas acknowledged Jesus as the Son of God, we could even say he was the first Christian suicide.

I think we can safely assume that these are further examples of false, unsubstantiated, overblown claims. jcrawford seems not to care that the claims he makes are actually true or not, nor if there is any objective evidence supporting these claims.

[Goat]

Show me how someone who is pushing the cult of scientology is qualified.

Show me how members of the cults of psychoanalysis and psychiatry can analyze Christian minds and souls?

As soon as you show me that Christians do, indeed, have souls.

It is a presupposed and given fact in their religion.

Show me your psyche and I will bare my soul.

Insufficent answer.

You are making a scientific and medical claim, therefore you have to demonstrate that claim.

[jcrawford]

I call again for evidence.

I call for evidence of "mental illness" also but none is produced.

I have made no assertions about mental illness, you have. By the rules of debate, you are now required to provide that evidence.

I have provided evidence and testimony for everything I say. You just don't like the evidence.

Meanwhile, you provide no evidence to the contrary.

[jcrawford]

For almost 150 years, psychiatry has been masquerading as a medical science and as a branch of medicine. It is not and never was a science or a type of health care. Modern psychiatry is driven by unproved empirical assumptions, medical biases, and pseudo-scientific opinions. There are no scientifically established, independently proven facts in psychiatry. Psychiatry, in fact, has no laws or testable hypotheses and no coherent and comprehensive theory. Psychiatry conspicuously lacks scientific proof or evidence to support its news-media-parroted claims of "mental illness" or "disorders".

After about seventy years of psychiatric practices and research, there is still no diagnostic test for schizophrenia or any of the other three hundred so-called mental disorders listed in the current edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), which is essentially a list of class-driven moral judgements of allegedly abnormal behaviour, published and propagandized by the American Psychiatric Association. The DSM is the official bible of organized psychiatry. The DSM is the equivalent of the Malleus Maleficarum in the middle ages, which Spanish inquisitors used to identify, target, stigmatize and burn witches and heretics. Today's witches, heretics, and scapegoats are labeled mentally ill or schizophrenic.

I can definitely see a similarity between the writing of Weitz and jcrawford. This passage is characterized by overblown, sensationalistic, unsubstantiated statements, at least some of which are demonstrably false.

None have been demonstrated to be false yet.

For example:

Tests for Alzheimer's exist.

Alzheimer's apparently is in the DSM.

Among others testifying in support of the new indications was Eric D. Caine, M.D., professor and chair of psychiatry at the University of Rochester Medical Center, who provided testimony regarding the reclassification of the manifestations of Alzheimer’s in DSM-IV-TR.

Therefore Weitz statement, and thus also jcrawford's, is false, plain and simple.

Alzheimer's is a proven neurological disease and as such should not even be classified as a "mental illness" any more than brain cancer or Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease should be.

Am I to infer from Weitz and others that Christian Mental Health involves making untrue statements and believing them or attempting to convince others to believe them?

Such an inference would not be very scientific, logical or mentally sound.

[jcrawford]

Who authorizes soul-killing secular psychiatrists to operate on Christian brains?

I want you to show me where “soul-killing” secular psychiatrists are operating on Christian brains. Show me where psychiatrists are working on Christian brains.

Psychotropic drugs and psychiatric psychobabble affect Christian brains.

Show me the souls that have been killed.

They have departed this world and you will not meet up with them again during this life. The Holocaust Memorial is dedicated in rembrance of them.

Nazis don’t count, as they are not psychiatrists in this country.

Evolutionary psychologists, psychobiologists, psychosocialists and psychiatrists are all national socialists.

You’re just ranting inflammatory remarks with no substance.

You want more weblinks?

One thing about psychiatrists in a secular culture, not matter what they believe they are responsible in court and to there governing bodies.
Unlike the religious methodology they can’t just blame the victim and are subject to laws against quackery and fraud. Where you can after people have killed themselves, just say it was because they weren’t Christian because a Christian doesn’t commit suicide.

That sounds like psychobabble to me.

[Confused]

Goat, you are not thinking circularly enough. Pentecostals had three times the rate of depression than anyone else because it was godless secular evolutionist deluded psychologists who were the ones doing the measuring. And they probably did not even think to do the study with a double blind.

I think I am starting to feel 3 times depressed myself.

Non-Christians using drugs feel depressed 30 times as often as Christians who practice Christian Mental Health do.

I suppose some like Crawford would just make the measument simple, Believe like me vs don't believe like me.

Believing in Christian Mental Health and the salvation of your soul is what makes Christian Mental Health techniques and practices far superior to taking drugs for the cure of your soul.

Solution, think like me.

Thinking God's thoughts after Him is the key to Christian Mental Health.

How do you know you are thinking right? By quoting magic veses from the bible.

You know you are thinking right when you reach for the Bible instead of some mind-altering and brain-damaging drugs.

Of all the "research" you have listed thus far: 90% is books we can only validate if we go out, purchase the books and read the crap listed, the other 10% doens't back up any of the statistics you list. Your references are mostly authors who publish for profit, not for scholarly research.

I will return to my original request. State what a "Christian Mental Health Practitioner is", what is their education? What is their state credentialing? What evidence based research have they conducted and published? What methodology to they ascribe to? What evidence is their to the efficacy of this methodology?

Vas iss - a secular state inquisitition?

Who authorizes soul-killing secular psychiatrists to operate on Christian brains?

Here is a shocker, more evasion.