Christian Mental Health

[jcrawford]

As a Christian Mental Health practitioner, I sometimes wonder who gets to define and set the standards by which the state measures and determines the mental health of its citizens and schoolchildren.

Obviously, the ready answer on the lips of non-Christians is that state certified psychologists and psychiatrists alone should define and set the standards governing the mental health of all of its citizens. But this raises a problem for Christians who practice their own religious form of mental health therapy since secularists in government are opposed to any competition in the mental health fields from Christians who claim that the many psychological abuses of mental health treatments in US public schools constitute a violation of their civil right to choice in therapeutic treatments of their minds and souls.

Question for discussion and debate: Should Christian mental health be used as a standard for systems of comparitive mental health? If not, why not, and what justification is there for secular humanists in government judging the mental health of Christians if a Christian Mental Health system is superior to any other.

[Goat]

It is your turn to provide some evidence that psychiatry is not a death cult which dispenses mind-altering and brain damaging psychotropic drugs to children.

Read a book or two by Dr. Thomas Szasz and you too will be qualified to challenge and expose the evil death cult of psychiatry in America.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/27767.html

You are doign what is known as 'SHifting the Goalposts'.

Asking you for some evidence of Mental illness is "shifting the goalposts?"

Show me how someone who is pushing the cult of scientology is qualified.

Show me how members of the cults of psychoanalysis and psychiatry can analyze Christian minds and souls?

As soon as you show me that Christians do, indeed, have souls.

[jcrawford]

1) You need to LISTEN. The repitiion is getting old.

Listening does not necessitate believing, does it?

2) ADHD: did you not look at the sites I listed, nor the posts of some exerts that Micatala listed. Or are you really that blind. These are neurobiologists and neuropsychiatrists that show the neurological component.

The links are just psychiatric testimonies and prove nothing about malfunctional neural transmitters or chemical imbalances other than that some neural transmitters may be stimulated by iatrogenic drug-induced chemical imbalances.

3) The rest of this post is utter nonsense, rambling and ignorance. Christians don't commit suicide? Suicide only results from antidepressants. Only a Christian neurologist should treat a Christian with neurological problems.

Nothing nonsensical about it from a Christian Mental Reconstruction POV.

The sad part of all of this is not only do you actually believe this nonsense, but you will procreate.

Christians like me who procreate large families are blessed for doing so and rarely have any mental health problems not covered and cured under their Salvation by Grace Insurance Plan.

[Cathar1950]

Also why would those on anti-depressants be depressed every day? If they are working, they would not be depressed.

If they weren't depressed to being with, they wouldn't be given anti-depressents

But if they take the ant-depressants they would not be depressed every day.

I don't think JC here would take depression as a illness or disease.

Show me how members of the cults of psychoanalysis and psychiatry can analyze Christian minds and souls?

I don't think they are cults. I don't know about you.
But if they are crazy they are crazy even if they are Christians.

[McCulloch]

I call again for evidence.

I call for evidence of "mental illness" also but none is produced.

I have made no assertions about mental illness, you have. By the rules of debate, you are now required to provide that evidence.

[jcrawford]

Goat, you are not thinking circularly enough. Pentecostals had three times the rate of depression than anyone else because it was godless secular evolutionist deluded psychologists who were the ones doing the measuring. And they probably did not even think to do the study with a double blind.

I think I am starting to feel 3 times depressed myself.

Non-Christians using drugs feel depressed 30 times as often as Christians who practice Christian Mental Health do.

I suppose some like Crawford would just make the measument simple, Believe like me vs don't believe like me.

Believing in Christian Mental Health and the salvation of your soul is what makes Christian Mental Health techniques and practices far superior to taking drugs for the cure of your soul.

Solution, think like me.

Thinking God's thoughts after Him is the key to Christian Mental Health.

How do you know you are thinking right? By quoting magic veses from the bible.

You know you are thinking right when you reach for the Bible instead of some mind-altering and brain-damaging drugs.

Of all the "research" you have listed thus far: 90% is books we can only validate if we go out, purchase the books and read the crap listed, the other 10% doens't back up any of the statistics you list. Your references are mostly authors who publish for profit, not for scholarly research.

I will return to my original request. State what a "Christian Mental Health Practitioner is", what is their education? What is their state credentialing? What evidence based research have they conducted and published? What methodology to they ascribe to? What evidence is their to the efficacy of this methodology?

Vas iss - a secular state inquisitition?

Who authorizes soul-killing secular psychiatrists to operate on Christian brains?

[micatala]

Yes, he said that he would be quite lax in the evidence. A link to a bunch of books doesn't even qualify as a source for your claims, since it can not be verified that any of these books made the claim you made.

Can you show the specific place where you got your information? PUtting a link to a bunch of books that are being sold does not even approch even lax standards.

The books contain testimonies which are considered acceptable evidence in a court of law.

http://www.spiegelgrund.at/en/Topic/The ... sychiatry/

http://www.antipsychiatry.org/weitz2.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract

http://www.oralchelation.net/data/Psych ... ata18n.htm

http://www.springerlink.com/content/72jffq1jnw0vwky4/

http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol27I5/page05.htm

Here is an excerpt from the beginning of the second citation above.

For almost 150 years, psychiatry has been masquerading as a medical science and as a branch of medicine. It is not and never was a science or a type of health care. Modern psychiatry is driven by unproved empirical assumptions, medical biases, and pseudo-scientific opinions. There are no scientifically established, independently proven facts in psychiatry. Psychiatry, in fact, has no laws or testable hypotheses and no coherent and comprehensive theory. Psychiatry conspicuously lacks scientific proof or evidence to support its news-media-parroted claims of "mental illness" or "disorders".

After about seventy years of psychiatric practices and research, there is still no diagnostic test for schizophrenia or any of the other three hundred so-called mental disorders listed in the current edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), which is essentially a list of class-driven moral judgements of allegedly abnormal behaviour, published and propagandized by the American Psychiatric Association. The DSM is the official bible of organized psychiatry. The DSM is the equivalent of the Malleus Maleficarum in the middle ages, which Spanish inquisitors used to identify, target, stigmatize and burn witches and heretics. Today's witches, heretics, and scapegoats are labeled mentally ill or schizophrenic.

I can definitely see a similarity between the writing of Weitz and jcrawford. This passage is characterized by overblown, sensationalistic, unsubstantiated statements, at least some of which are demonstrably false.




For example:


Tests for Alzheimer's exist.

Alzheimer's apparently is in the DSM.

Among others testifying in support of the new indications was Eric D. Caine, M.D., professor and chair of psychiatry at the University of Rochester Medical Center, who provided testimony regarding the reclassification of the manifestations of Alzheimer’s in DSM-IV-TR.

Therefore Weitz statement, and thus also jcrawford's, is false, plain and simple.




Am I to infer from Weitz and others that Christian Mental Health involves making untrue statements and believing them or attempting to convince others to believe them?

[jcrawford]

Given we have not been shown what Christian mental health is or how we could recognize it except they read for their bible instead of an aspirin, meds or something.

We haven't even established what "mental health" is let alone Christian Mental Health. By what standard might we measure someone's mental health and how might we observe a "mental illness?"

Of course this might just be obsessive-compulsive behaviors and nothing more. Like reaching for a rabbit’s foot or flipping your lucky coin.

Psychopathetic psychologists and psychiatrists exhibit more obsessive-compulsive behaviors than any Christians I know of and have a higher rate of suicide also.

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto ... 00045.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract

I want to see studies that show “mentally healthy Christians” only get depressed once a month?

Just ask ten Christians and you can average the results.

Also why would those on anti-depressants be depressed every day? If they are working, they would not be depressed.

If they are not depressed when they wake up one day, why take any medication that day?

But it would help if you could possibly answer Confused's questions.

It would help if Confused would define mental health and explain how the mind can be physically ill.

[jcrawford]

Also why would those on anti-depressants be depressed every day? If they are working, they would not be depressed.

If they weren't depressed to being with, they wouldn't be given anti-depressents

If someone is depressed they should find out what is depressing them rather than just getting high on drugs. Otherwise they run the risk of becoming dope addicts and severely damaging their brain and wasting their minds.

[jcrawford]

Suicides only result from psychopharmaceutical drug use. Christians don't commit suicide.

Perhaps jcrawford can also document these claims. The last two would be particularly interesting, if they were true.

http://www.psychsearch.net/teenscreen.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n16537438

http://whale.to/drugs/suicide.html

http://www.munley.com/drugs/accutane.html

[jcrawford]

Dr. Thomas Szasz's book is called "The myth of Mental Illness" not "Mental illness is a myth". The scope of his ideas are liited to Game Playing and a psych-social theory. He would hardly support the ideas being proposed, wha ever they are, by Crawford. I have not read his stuff in years and the only book I have left is the Myth book.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/27767.html