Israel/Palestine conflict solution

[justme2]

On the internet I found a solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict
Visit this site and then let's discuss solutions
www.universalknowledge.net
Or
"Love the stranger as thyself"
Google either and then let’s let the discussion/debate begin

[marco]

On the internet I found a solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict
Visit this site and then let's discuss solutions

"Love the stranger as thyself"

Google either and then let’s let the discussion/debate begin

Before one "discusses" solutions one must speak factually, Here's a sentence from the site you recommend we read:

You can not find one incident where Muslims spit on Christians but you can find countless incidents where Orthodox Jews spit
on Christians. Has the American press ever covered the above-?

But there are countless instances of killings and forced conversions, so that Christianity is becoming extinct in biblical lands, not of course through Jews spitting. Distrust is one thing, killing is sonething else. In the mess that is the Middle East, Israel is a democracy. Find another one and we can model our answers on that.

I can see no solution in making Israel into yet another misogynistic theocracy.

[justme2]

I can see no solution in making Israel into yet another misogynistic theocracy.

Israel is no democracy in form or substance. It is racists to the core.

Having said that misogynistic theocracy is about rejecting women's rights which has nothing to do with the subject of this topic. I don't think you even knew what misogynistic meant but used the term because it sounded/read nice to you.

no animosity intended or implied

how about we discuss solutions for the Palestinian/Israel conflict instead?

[marco]

Israel is no democracy in form or substance. It is racists to the core.

Having said that misogynistic theocracy is about rejecting women's rights which has nothing to do with the subject of this topic. I don't think you even knew what misogynistic meant but used the term because it sounded/read nice to you.

no animosity intended or implied

how about we discuss solutions for the Palestinian/Israel conflict instead?

I'll overlook the descent into abuse here. If one wishes to discuss a "solution" one should examine impartial accounts of the history of the region. Getting reports from Hamas is hardly getting the truth. Move the terrorists away from Israel; stop the rockets, and then something can be done. In fact peace will be immediate, since Israel has then no interest in what the Palestinians do. Palestinians did well enough in Israel. Perhaps they were just duped by those with dark motives.

If one reads the history of Israel, how much she has been provoked and how well she retains here dignity, one begins to admire her a little. She has perhaps learned the hard way not to put her trust in a God who has placed her in the centre of Hell.


She has been let down by many nations and has learned to take care of herself. Let her find her own solution, whatever it is.

[justme2]

She has been let down by many nations and has learned to take care of herself. Let her find her own solution, whatever it is.

Israel is not a she. Israel is a country that was named after the person, Israel.

King James Bible
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

God chose Israel to be the example for all to follow. God gave the Israelite people instructions on how they should live their lives if they wanted to get his grace.

The following is the example they have chosen to give--

12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
Thu., October 28, 2004
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

UN officials: Girl hit by IDF gunfire in UN school in Gaza
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and AP
Tue., October 12, 2004 Tishrei 27, 5765
An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire. IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) 7 September 2004 At 07:45 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by Israeli fire while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary Girl's School On June 1 this year two ten-year old children in UNRWA's Al-Umariye Elementary Boys' School in Rafah were hit by a bullet from a Israeli tank
In March 2003
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom. Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

Boy of 17, shot by Israeli soldiers, left bleeding overnight to die
September 8, 2003
The bullet ridden corpse of Mohammad Abdullah Abu al-Husni, was found yesterday morning near the town of Jabaliya, where he lived in Gaza.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/left_to_die.htm

Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother.
28 July 2003
She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying,
'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other.
She was still in my arms and she died."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,36 ... 51,00.html

This boy was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
Tuesday December 23, 2003
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ ... 55,00.html

Israel Baby is born then dies
September 11, 2003
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
Siege off Nablus
January, 2004
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house. The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals ... _siege.htm

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals ... _siege.htm

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead
Tue., October 05, 2004
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/485274.html

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."
http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html
http://tinyurl.com/8rmn2g3

Now after reviewing the above do you believe the Israelis’ are living up to God’s expectations of them?

If you were in God’s shoes, what would you do?

[marco]

Israel is not a she. Israel is a country that was named after the person, Israel.

It is customary to term a country "she", not "he". The word "patria" is feminine. For example we talk about Mother Russia.

Now after reviewing the above do you believe the Israelis are living up to God’s expectations of them?

If you were in God’s shoes, what would you do?

I'm not interested in whether Israel lives up to God's expectations. I don't believe God wears shoes. If you want to know what should be done to redress the propaganda balance, then I suupose Israel should supply BBC with the appropriate pictures, but the BBC is not a model of impartiality, though it used to be. Yes it is very sad that children are exposed to danger by their parents and especially by Hamas. That's the sort of wickedness Israel is up against.

[Aetixintro]

[Replying to post 1 by justme2]

We can also start religiously by the Abrahamic faiths and putting corrupt politics aside:
Judaism is the original Abrahamic faith
Christianity is the "improved" Judaistic faith by emphasizing God's righteous people and the historic troubles they have suffered.
Islam is the "improved" Christianity and Judaism by a kind of revision, one author and more.

So, here we go, with Grand Ecumenism, also including Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Bahai faith, Scientology... etc.

[justme2]

Israel is not a she. Israel is a country that was named after the person, Israel.

King James Bible
And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
Notice above, there is NO mention of a country. It is just a makebelieve idea coming from His wayward, lost children

I'm not interested in whether Israel lives up to God's expectations.

I do believe you

Yes it is very sad that children are exposed to danger by their parents and especially by Hamas. That's the sort of wickedness Israel is up against.

wickedness? Please look up the definition before using it in this context.
25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.
30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

[marco]

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."

Yes, we are all prey to that odd creature called Death. I suspect you are offering me some sort of prophetic insight by using supposedly apt quotations but I find biblical quotations unhelpful. Israel does her best, placed as she is in a terror zone of the world, but faced with those who place little value on life, she has a tough task.

Western interference, removing "bad" leaders from Iraq and Libya, has just made matters worse. It would be good if we could impose democracy on Arab countries, like that in Israel, but savagery defeats this aim. Support for Israel seems the only way to continue.