Unanswered Questions Concerning Intelligent Design.

[Furrowed Brow]

One of the stock evolutionary rhetorical retorts to intelligent design is to ask the question who designed the designer? I say rhetorical because I’ve never seen a pro Ider offer an answer. So would any proponent of intelligent design care to take a stab at any of the following questions. (Or would anyone else care to play devil’s advocate). However, the proponents of ID say it is a science, and not a religion. That Intelligent Design does not necessarily imply God. So any answer requiring God is off bounds.

1) Who designed or how was the designer designed?
2) From where or from what did does the intelligent designer draw their intelligence?
3) From where or from what muse did the intelligent designer get their design aesthetic?
4) By what manner, mechanism or method does the intelligent designer ensure the universe follows their design?
5) If intelligent design were true - does that mean only one designer, or could there be more than one? (Explain your answer).

[Cathar1950]

One of the stock evolutionary rhetorical retorts to intelligent design is to ask the question who designed the designer? I say rhetorical because I’ve never seen a pro Ider offer an answer. So would any proponent of intelligent design care to take a stab at any of the following questions. (Or would anyone else care to play devil’s advocate). However, the proponents of ID say it is a science, and not a religion. That Intelligent Design does not necessarily imply God. So any answer requiring God is off bounds.

1) Who designed or how was the designer designed?
2) From where or from what did does the intelligent designer draw their intelligence?
3) From where or from what muse did the intelligent designer get their design aesthetic?
4) By what manner, mechanism or method does the intelligent designer ensure the universe follows their design?
5) If intelligent design were true - does that mean only one designer, or could there be more than one? (Explain your answer).

Harold Bloom says something like that in his book "Yahwah and Jesus".
Who was God's daddy?
Who taught God?

Even in the Genesis myth God or the gods experience good and evil. Or have the knowledge(experence) of good and evil not the diffrence between them but the ablity to experience that which works or fits.
Any reasonable god would learn. That seems to fit evolution much better then the unexplainable God that is outside of time and space.

Interesting questions.
Off to the cafe to read, enjoy coffee, breakfast and smiles.

[McCulloch]

1. Who designed or how was the designer designed?
   Unless the answer is that the designer has always existed and was never designed, you will run into the problem of infinite regress. Therefore the Designer of ID must have no creation, creator or beginning. But not necessarily God
2. From where or from what did does the intelligent designer draw their intelligence?
   There is a similar problem. Unless the designer draws her intelligence from herself, there will be a problem with infinite regress. The Designer of ID must therefore must contain her own intelligence.
3. From where or from what muse did the intelligent designer get their design aesthetic?
   The Designer of ID must be her own muse.
4. By what manner, mechanism or method does the intelligent designer ensure the universe follows their design?
   Not only must the Designer of ID have designed the universe, but she must have set the universe into being. Whatever manner, mechanism or method the Designer used to set the universe into being, would be the same as the mechanism used by the Designer to ensure that the universe follows her design. Perhaps the very act of designing the universe made the universe exist. Would a fundamental axiom of ID be that Design = Existence?
5. If intelligent design were true - does that mean only one designer, or could there be more than one? (Explain your answer).
   How many eternal creative beings can there be? Hmmm.

[otseng]

One of the stock evolutionary rhetorical retorts to intelligent design is to ask the question who designed the designer?

Yes, it is. And a poor rhetorical retort I might add.

1) Who designed or how was the designer designed?

I brought up my arguments against this in Infinite Tortoise Problem (Turtles all the way down).

[Furrowed Brow]

One of the stock evolutionary rhetorical retorts to intelligent design is to ask the question who designed the designer?

Yes, it is. And a poor rhetorical retort I might add.

1) Who designed or how was the designer designed?

I brought up my arguments against this in Infinite Tortoise Problem (Turtles all the way down).

Its not turtles all the way down?

[Confused]

To answer any of these questions, the problem I seem to be running into is that no-one is quite clear on what ID is. It appears to me that many on this forum seem to have their own concept of what it is. If someone might want to give a clear definition on what is the currently accepted tenets of ID, then perhaps I can answer your questions (and perhaps not).

[otseng]

I like Francis Beckwith's definition of ID the best:

"Intelligent design (or ID) is not one theory. It is a short-hand name for a cluster of arguments that offer a variety of cases that attempt to show that intelligent agency rather than unguided matter better accounts for apparently natural phenomena or the universe as a whole."
http://legalaffairs.org/webexclusive/de ... id0905.msp

[Confused]

I like Francis Beckwith's definition of ID the best:

"Intelligent design (or ID) is not one theory. It is a short-hand name for a cluster of arguments that offer a variety of cases that attempt to show that intelligent agency rather than unguided matter better accounts for apparently natural phenomena or the universe as a whole."
http://legalaffairs.org/webexclusive/de ... id0905.msp

Unfortunately, while well written, it still doesn't define the tenets for it's definition. A cluster of arguments. I read the site you listed, but no cluster was presented.

[Furrowed Brow]

One of the stock evolutionary rhetorical retorts to intelligent design is to ask the question who designed the designer?

Yes, it is. And a poor rhetorical retort I might add.

Ok I asked for answers, but you can also deconstruct the question if you think it is weak. So any takers. Why is this or any of the other questions a poor retort to ID?

[otseng]

Unfortunately, while well written, it still doesn't define the tenets for it's definition. A cluster of arguments.

As for the "cluster" of arguments, I don't think there's a single place to get it all. But, I think Nature's Destiny gives some good arguments.