Faith Required in Both Creation and Evolution.

[Aslan]

Is it not true that belief in either creation or evolution envolves using faith?

Creationists have faith in the existance of an eternal all powerful God.

Evolutionist have faith in the existance of eternal matter.

[Goat]

Is it not true that belief in either creation or evolution envolves using faith?

Creationists have faith in the existance of an eternal all powerful God.

Evolutionist have faith in the existance of eternal matter.

Evolution has nothing to do with the 'eternal existance of matter'. It simply has to do with the change of frequence of allees over time. It does not even worry about how life got there to begin with.

[McCulloch]

Is it not true that belief in either creation or evolution involves using faith?

Creationists have faith in the existence of an eternal all powerful God.

Evolutionists have faith in the existence of eternal matter.

Evolution is part of the science of Biology. It therefore makes no claims about how the Earth or the Universe came into being other than to provide enough time for the evolutionary process to occur. Evolutionists, therefore, have faith (confidence) in Geologists who have shown that the Earth has been here long enough. Since there exist theistic evolutionists, your assertion that evolutionists have faith in the existence of eternal matter is false and your implied assertion that evolutionists cannot have faith in an eternal all powerful God is false as well.

[juliod]

BTW, I don't know of any scientist who thinks matter is "eternal".

DanZ

[Furrowed Brow]

BTW, I don't know of any scientist who thinks matter is "eternal".

DanZ

Well if you were a photon you'd not experience time, and in this sense you'd be eternal. However photon's are not classed as matter. They are force carriers.

I believe the electron is deemed to have an infinite lifetime. Though I don't think this is meant in the same way Aslan talks about "eternal".

[Furrowed Brow]

Is it not true that belief in either creation or evolution envolves using faith?

Creationists have faith in the existance of an eternal all powerful God.

Evolutionist have faith in the existance of eternal matter.

Evolution can in principle be falsified. Dig up a rabbit in Cambrian rock and you will have disproved evolution. Thus evolution is a contingent theory. Though logically there is always room that we are wrong, it is such a powerful explanation of the evidence we (evolutionists) have great confidence in it. Creationism on the other hand, as it is taken to be a legitimate interpretation of God's word is not in principle open to falsification. There is no room for it being a contingent truth. If it were it would have withered on the vine a longtime ago. Moreover, though it scratches around to explain the same evidence in its own way, it really does demand great faith to accept the creationist explanation.

[jcrawford]

Evolution has nothing to do with the 'eternal existance of matter'. It simply has to do with the change of frequence of allees over time. It does not even worry about how life got there to begin with.

Since evolutionary theory cannot account for the origin of life, it can only account for its speciation by the highly imaginative mental process of evolution by mutation, adaptation and natural selection.

[Furrowed Brow]

Evolution has nothing to do with the 'eternal existance of matter'. It simply has to do with the change of frequence of allees over time. It does not even worry about how life got there to begin with.

Since evolutionary theory cannot account for the origin of life, it can only account for its speciation by the highly imaginative mental process of evolution by mutation, adaptation and natural selection.

Hi jcrawford

As special Relativity, General Relativity and Quantum physics also require high levels of imagination, I take it you mean to praise evolution in this respect.

[Goat]

Evolution has nothing to do with the 'eternal existance of matter'. It simply has to do with the change of frequence of allees over time. It does not even worry about how life got there to begin with.

Since evolutionary theory cannot account for the origin of life, it can only account for its speciation by the highly imaginative mental process of evolution by mutation, adaptation and natural selection.

Why?

Evolution is not dependant on speciation, although it explains it.. It deals with variation, selection.. the adaptation is part of the selection process.
varition + selection = adaptation. You do not need speciation for that part.. although it does explain it.

And it is an imagantive mental process. It can be demonstrated in the lab.

[jcrawford]

Hi jcrawford

Hi FB.

As special Relativity, General Relativity and Quantum physics also require high levels of imagination, I take it you mean to praise evolution in this respect.

Not exactly, since the highly imaginative speculations of evolutionary theorists serve no practical purpose other than creating a scientific religion bolstered by a highly religious philosophy.