Is it ok to kill?

[veinmetal]

I made this movie yesterday:

It's about Satan that has to fight The Devil to save the world

[The Persnickety Platypus]

Welcome.

"Is it okay to kill?" Can you elaborate?

[veinmetal]

Welcome.

"Is it okay to kill?" Can you elaborate?

Thank you. First of all I wanna say that I do not wanna freak out of what I am going to say. Take the time to understand what I really mean .



I believe in God. I was born christian orthodox. However I have my own philosophy wich is a little bit different than what I've learned from christianism. I believe in heaven and I believe in hell. I also believe that whatever we do in life, whatever happens to us in life, our emotions, our experiences reflects the afterlife only at a bigger scale. So if we suffer in real life it will echo in the afterlife (Gladiator , hehe). Sometimes we are sad , sometimes we are happy meaning in the afterlife we will experience hell and heaven at the same time. Now, if I go a little bit further with this idea of mine ... the interesting thing here is that humans altoghether are able to create the miracle of happyness. Humanity is able to provide to each human the possibility to be happy all the time, nourish the state of mind of each individual and in the end everyone will go in heaven.

If you are still reading and hoping my english isn't so bad, let's continue.
Some people's heaven is other people's hell. Example: if I go to a gay club, I will freak out. I will have nightmares just seeing those individuals starring at me. It's creepy. That is hell for me but for them it is heaven. But I do share other interests with some of them. I play music with a gay friend and we have a great time. But that is all we have in common. On the other hand, those gay people experience hell when they are in the wide open of the society. People are making fun of them. They don't feel tolerated. So if we, humans tolerate each other's heavens it is like saying that we have the keys to other people's heavens. We need this validation coming from the society in order to access those potential happyness. Each group cannot make it on their own.

One thing the society still doesn't understand is that most criminals, rapists, pedophiles and mainly all the mental ills find happyness in their own crazyness. SO if a psycho serial-killer is happy killing people then he cannot be changed. If you put him in prison or try to give him medication to fix his illness he will suffer more. His life will be miserable. It is obviously unacceptable to let crazy criminals kill innocent people. So the solution to this is to let them kill on the internet. Let them kill in the games like World of Warcraft and Counter Strike. Also, allow the euthanasie and let them kill the suffering old people that are begging to die. Those old or even young people that are in terrible pain from terminal cancer are suffering so much they even forget the beautiful life they and before the disease. Let the pedophiles rape children on the internet. I KNOW, I know it's outrageous. It makes me cry right now as I type. But they are trapped in this terrible mental disease and the only way to offer them happyness is to let them play their crazy game (obviously not outside the cyber world). It is hell for us but for them it is heaven and they will go in that heaven of theirs.

The society is the shepherd. ANd today we have many sheeps that we start to retrieve but the most lost sheep is the one that we do not want to understand. It's the black sheep (criminals, rapists, satanists, homosexuals, thieves, etc )

So if you feel that stealing makes you happy, or killing humans or bugs makes you happy then it's great for you. You must have the spirit of a dinosaur. If lazyness is what makes you happy, then it's perfectly great. Congratulations because you found one of the tools to build your heaven of the afterlife.

The only problem consists when your heaven is directly making somone's else a Hell. So it is not ok to kill In real life. It's ok to kill people that want to die purposely, or cyber-kill.

The solution is to build systems that generate happyness for these groups so that it won't interfere between them. Internet LAN places for those who wanna cyber-kill. OUtdoor battlegrounds can be created for those who want war and wanna die as a hero. Robots simulating children can be made for pedophiles. Society will have to accept them as they are and them their key to heaven.


Hmmm, ok I will stop now. I will continue if needed.

[Wyvern]

Going from your video, Adam is the Earth and Eve is the moon. The snake in Eden is actually lightning which is what actually created life on Earth(Adam) when it interacted with water. Noah was actually a fish or possibly a pliesiosaur and the ark was simply land. Somewhere along the line you came up with the idea that there have been 124,000 prophets in the last 65 million years of which you include your avatar in WoW. Then you jump ahead and say humans haven't and can never land on the moon because it has an anti-gravity field.

As far as your other ideas on letting psychopaths kill those that are dieing or want to die just to keep them happy is silly. You said yourself that they are suffering from a mental disease, doesn't it make more sense to try to cure them instead of allowing them to do whatever they want against all the rules of society.

[veinmetal]

Going from your video, Adam is the Earth and Eve is the moon. The snake in Eden is actually lightning which is what actually created life on Earth(Adam) when it interacted with water. Noah was actually a fish or possibly a pliesiosaur and the ark was simply land. Somewhere along the line you came up with the idea that there have been 124,000 prophets in the last 65 million years of which you include your avatar in WoW. Then you jump ahead and say humans haven't and can never land on the moon because it has an anti-gravity field.

As far as your other ideas on letting psychopaths kill those that are dieing or want to die just to keep them happy is silly. You said yourself that they are suffering from a mental disease, doesn't it make more sense to try to cure them instead of allowing them to do whatever they want against all the rules of society.

Thank you for answering to my thread. What you mentioned here comes from the other little film I made. I used a little bit of my imagination and an interpretation of passages of the Bible with a scientific touch.

When it comes to psychopaths yes, I said it myself that they are suffering from a mental disease . But that wasn't the point. The idea was most of them cannot be cured.
The psychopats should be part of the society. The society should need them, not try to fix them. Such as in a way talented artists are needed to entertain people, the same for the psychopats: they are needed to offer different services to the society.
The society must play their game. She must act like the psycho-killers have a gift from God. They are the last ones to be accepted. Everybody knows what is moral and what is not. It isn't moral to kill. So basically there is no more room for misinterpretation when we say "It is moral to kill for the psychos".

Each year there are hundreds of thousands of people that disapear. It's this small part of the society that are doing these acts. They kidnap, they kill, they rape, not for money but for pleasure and they know theya re not accepted. It's horrible but it's time for humans to accept Satan and his demons in Paradise, because they have the last key of the alst Door in Paradise.

124,000 prophets- Acording to Islam there where 124 000 prophets.
Noah being a fish is just my interpetation. IMO Noah signifies the first creatures that went ont he land and became reptiles (Darwinism).
Moses couldn't have brought these theories because it is a philosophy too hard to understand for his time. The people back then, all they needed to know is "Don't kill" period.


With your permission let me help you understand even more this philosophy... Prepare to enter the mind of a psycho .. ....



Imagine ... everything you do that makes you happy: sex, family friends, smoke, a drink once in a while, going to church, fishing etc. You soon realise all these aren't accepted int he society, and considered as a crime. You find yourself in a mental institution, you try to explain them that you are normal but they say you are Not normal and that you are a threat to society. Because the normal people don't have sex since it doesn't bring pleasure at all. It's a sacrifice done to procreate. You are not normal because it is not ok to have a family. They also say to you that it isn't ok for you not to kill your parents because in the society you must kill your parents when they reach age of 40. You will say that EVERYONE is crazy because that's how you feel from the inside.

You will be unhappy all your life because society considers you as an accident of nature. You will then suffer for the rest of your life, alone and misunderstood.


Now, come out of this state of mind.. come back to normal again. You feel soo lucky that you are born normal in the head. The society accepts you. Everyhting is fine.

[Wyvern]

When it comes to psychopaths yes, I said it myself that they are suffering from a mental disease . But that wasn't the point. The idea was most of them cannot be cured.

So your solution is to throw up your hands and just let them do whatever they want as long as they are happy doing it? I don't think you are taking into account how the unaltered behavior of these people causes great unhappiness in many others.

The psychopats should be part of the society. The society should need them, not try to fix them. Such as in a way talented artists are needed to entertain people, the same for the psychopats: they are needed to offer different services to the society.

Psychopaths are a part of society although for the most part they act as parasites onto the society they belong to, i.e. they take but contribute little if anything and generally act as a negative influence on society. Simply put what services could psychopathic killers give to a society that can't be done by others in a more acceptable way?

The society must play their game. She must act like the psycho-killers have a gift from God. They are the last ones to be accepted. Everybody knows what is moral and what is not. It isn't moral to kill. So basically there is no more room for misinterpretation when we say "It is moral to kill for the psychos".

You have it backwards, they have to play the societies game which is why many of these people have constructed a worldview for themselves in order to make their activities seem more acceptable. I don't understand why you think society has to think murders are blessed when in fact they are for the most part mentally faulty. They could be easily be rendered non threatening to society but lobotomies generally aren't done anymore. Another point, psychopaths do what they do because many if not most do not know the difference between right and wrong, this is one of the hurdles that must be passed if one is trying for an insanity defense.

Each year there are hundreds of thousands of people that disapear. It's this small part of the society that are doing these acts. They kidnap, they kill, they rape, not for money but for pleasure and they know theya re not accepted. It's horrible but it's time for humans to accept Satan and his demons in Paradise, because they have the last key of the alst Door in Paradise.

Just because many people fall off of databases doesn't mean they actually disappear, there are a number of manuals for sale on how to disappear. If all the people that disappear were actually killed by serial killers every major city would literally have dozens of them and bodies would be popping up all over the place given how most serial killers aren't all that careful on how they dispose of the body after they are done. Basically your idea of what happens to the thousands that go missing each year is unfounded, I would say the majority are the children of an ugly divorce in which one of the parents abduct the child and then drop off the radar. That whole satan and his demons thing is just mystical mumbo jumbo that certain people use to excuse themselves for the things they do.

Moses couldn't have brought these theories because it is a philosophy too hard to understand for his time. The people back then, all they needed to know is "Don't kill" period.

Just because people lived in a simpler technological period don't assume they were simple minded. After all look at the bible, it was written during this time and to this day what it means is still being debated.

You will be unhappy all your life because society considers you as an accident of nature. You will then suffer for the rest of your life, alone and misunderstood.

Sorry as long as there are limited resources society can not make everyone happy. Being unhappy simply because you can't do whatever you want is a terribly selfish and childish view. So suffer then, get over it already stop being childish and grow up. If you came into this world expecting to be happy all the time you obviously read the wrong brochures.

[veinmetal]

noooo, man I was replying to you for about 1 hour and then it all disapeared because I wasn't loged in. Arggggg.

I will answer to you later cause now I'm exhausted but I will jsut say this:


"Give them a reason why they are born like this and they will make miracles".

[topaz]

It's about Satan that has to fight The Devil to save the world

Huh ?
1-satan fight the devil … satan IS the devil.
2-satan does not ‘save’ … the sicko destroys.

[veinmetal]

It's about Satan that has to fight The Devil to save the world

Huh ?
1-satan fight the devil … satan IS the devil.
2-satan does not ‘save’ … the sicko destroys.

The Satan as you know it is the Devil. But, in my book the this is different. The Devil countered Satan's arrival by destroying his reputation wich is being the last prophet. Satan is a human prophet, Lazar, and the Devil is an evil mystery.

The Devil destroys, Satan saves.

[Confused]

As warped as I know this is going to sound, there is some logic in what he is presenting. Consider:

You go to work every day, come home to your wife and kids, have dinner, do homework, etc.... This is your reality. People with schizphrenia, antisocial personality disorders, psychotics don't see reality in these terms. They are almost literally on a different dimension in their mind. PET scans have shown that most schizophrenics use more of their brain than the average sane man. We spend billions of dollars every year on treating what can't be cured. My son is autistic. He can't be cured. He can be taught how to live in our society under his terms (ie minimal stimulation, routines, etc..). Neat and orderly is his heaven along with calculus and 3-D jigsaw puzzles (he is 7). Schizophrenics in the early phases know something is wrong and society reinforces it instead of expanding on it. Now, I work in medicine, so don't get me wrong. I am aware of pathophysiology. But if a person is constantly being told everything they see and hear is wrong, soon they thing that even when they see something right, it is wrong. See where I am going with this? Instead they become labeled, institutionalized and medicated until they are no longer a threat to society and then returned to the world that they have been taught to believe was wrong. Pedophiles werent considered bad until the past century or so. Before that it was normal for a 18-40 year old man to marry a 10-12 year old girl (depending on first menses), but they were betrothed much younger than that. Now we say disgusting, shame on them. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with it, but it is a historical fact.

Everything you mention here is valid to a degree. The problem comes in with the slippery slope fallacy which could very well be a valid assertion rather than a fallacy. If we allow internet child porn: first off some children have to be used to make the porn, then there is no guarantee that this will prevent the person from doing this in reality at some point.

Better solution: virtual reality. Then it would be truly victimless.

Your video was actually (I can't believe I am saying this) good. You make a lot of extraordinary claims that would be impossible to prove. But so is God.

I like the idea of enlightenment being heaven. Peace and knowledge.

Your format to introduce this was very unique and I have to say that intially I though it was a joke. But oddly, its perceptive at the least.