Is God imperfect or simply indifferent?

[Justin108]

Assuming for argument sake that Mark 16:16 and Revelations 21:8 are both true in suggesting that unbelievers are condemned

If God fails to convince each and every one of us that he exists, this either implies that
a) God was unable to convince us he exists (implying imperfection)
b) God did not care to try to convince all of us (implying apathy)

Is God imperfect? Or simply apathetic in our salvation?

[Justin108]

Lots of people lied about hiding Jews in their basements in WWII. I know of one bishop who forged baptismal certificates for Jews to spirit them out of occupied Bulgaria.

Don't try to change my scenario to make it morally ambiguous. This guy lied about stealing a cookie. There, we have two sins now.

Is it justice for this atheist to go to hell while the repenting Christian murderer/rapist goes to heaven?

Lying is not categorically evil

It's funny how you always criticize atheists for making up their own moral standards. Yet here you are, confidently telling me lying is not categorically evil. Did you
a) Read this in scripture?
b) Figure it out yourself?

If a), kindly quote scripture telling us lying is sometimes permissible.

[Talishi]

If a), kindly quote scripture telling us lying is sometimes permissible.

Paul admits to withholding Advanced Truth because he figured people weren't ready for Truth 101. That's a kind of lie, or at least arrogance. In court they want the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

1 Cor. 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

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[Justin108]

I'm pointing out how the analogy is a false one. Perhaps you'd be better off using a different one?

I think the analogy is sufficient and is an accurate one. You disagree. Oh well, neither of us will most likely change our minds. I’m cool with that.

The analogy is clearly not fitting. A man throwing a line into water is clearly visible. You cannot say "I didn't know you threw a line in the water". Jesus' salvation is not clearly visible and we cannot be certain it exists. In your analogy, the man rejects the line out of refusal to take it. In the real world instance, atheists reject Jesus because they do not believe in Jesus as the son of God. If Jesus himself appeared to me and said "hey, wanna be saved?" I would accept salvation because the "line" is now clearly visible to me.

Did you consider the possibility that bad theology was blinding you to God’s voice?

Did you consider the possibility that bad theology was blinding you to Allah's voice? What if you're not a Muslim simply because you're just not trying hard enough to understand Islam?

Your struggle is your struggle but some of us have had the same struggle. Why is it that you rejected while others accepted and grew in their faith? Are they gullible? . . . less intelligent?

Why is it that you rejected Islam while others accepted and grew in their faith in Islam? Are they gullible?...less intelligent?

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[Justin108]

[JLB32168]

This scenario clearly had good moral intent. The guy who stole a cookie was just being selfish. There is no greater good in his stealing a cookie other than his desire for the cookie.

So, is it your contention that if one tells a lie – and commits no sin of any other type – that s/he will go to Hell, according to Christian theology?

I'd like to see you support that.

Aside from that, you’ve not addressed anything else in my post. Is it because you can’t?

[Justin108]

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