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Word games

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Rather than debate issues many Theists play word games by using esoteric definitions and by stretching definitions. In current threads attempts are made to say that golf is a religion and that Atheists are Theists . Others stretch the definition of “faith� to apply equally to religious faith and to “faith� that trash will be picked up on schedule (saying “everyone has faith�) – a form of equivocation (the use of equivocal or ambiguous expressions, especially in order to mislead or hedge)

Quite regularly there are discussions of what biblical words “really mean� (as though Bible translators and editors are incompetent and the local expert knows better).

I observe that when one defends a strong position with evidence to support their statements there is no need for word games. However, those defending weak, unsupported positions often use “creative� tactics to give the impression of having a valid argument.

Are word games and similar tactics necessary to defend supernatural beliefs?
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Danmark wrote: Catnip wrote:
I do hate to say this, but I don't think that this is quite the way that the enumerated definitions of a word are to be applied. The usage of the word does not need to fit ALL the definitions. Each definition is provided to cover the usages of the word and they are separate. Ergo, it is not a logical fallacy.

Are you positive that there is not a religion based on golf? There are some very strange religions claimed in this world at this time
I am 'positive' that to some golf is a religion in the sense that golfers may be passionate and devoted to the game. I am also 'positive' that this is completely unrelated to the idea that there might be a 'god' of golf who created the world so that there might be golf courses.

Words have meanings. They have meanings which are accepted as standards. Then someone uses 'religion' in a metaphorical or poetic sense, saying that 'Bobby Jones is so obsessed with golf that it is as if it has become his religion." From this, a second meaning of 'religion' germinates.

To an idiot or a dishonest person golf is now a 'religion' despite the fact there is no supernatural, or divine aspect whatsoever.
Calling golf a "religion" is very much akin to the informal expression, of doing something "religiously" where the intended sense is in no way associated with religious devotions*, but rather, of doing something frequently or regularly.

So, for example, "we play golf religiously, every Thursday"

*[that is not to say that silent prayers are not offered up on the tee or green or imprecations uttered after a hook shot or slice].
In religion and politics, people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
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