Atheist describe your world

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:59 pm

I am curious to know what the world looks like to an all atheist type world. Describe for me how this world looks to you the atheist.

*Note> I will be sporadic on posts. Mostly due to time and erradict email feeds from this site. To all responders, I would rather this not be a debate but a question and answer section. As an atheist posts their view of what would the world look like or however they choose to answer the question. I'd like to ask questions based on the answer. Any takers?

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:19 pm

Icarus wrote:I am curious to know what the world looks like to an all atheist type world. Describe for me how this world looks to you the atheist.

I cannot imagine an all atheist world any more than I can imagine a world that is all Christian or all Muslim. Well, I can imagine it, but I would rather not. My ideal would be a world where people are free to imagine and believe in the kind of afterlife that makes sense to them. But where it is frowned upon to try to legislate morality based only on the basis of religion.

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:17 am

McColloch,
Part of your description fits with Toppers. Would you describe how morality is enforced but not legislated?

Also (and to others) a theme seems to be appearing in parts of these worlds. That people are free to think what they want about religion. But I also hear that education or knowledge is on the side of this new world. Can you arrange the two and how they cohabitate.

Thanks all for your input.

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:57 pm

Icarus wrote:McColloch,
Part of your description fits with Toppers. Would you describe how morality is enforced but not legislated?

Also (and to others) a theme seems to be appearing in parts of these worlds. That people are free to think what they want about religion. But I also hear that education or knowledge is on the side of this new world. Can you arrange the two and how they cohabitate.

Thanks all for your input.

TRADITION!

In NYS, for many many years, it was the law that women were not allowed to go topless on public beaches.

That law was overturned as unconstituional. For a year or two, you occationally saw some topless women at the beach.. but very rarely.

After the two years, even though it was not illegal, you never saw it.

Tradition trumped legislation.

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:29 pm

Goat,
By tradition I assume you mean to refer to the modesty of the majority of women in NY? If not modesty, can you elaborate on how tradition is started.

thanks.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:22 pm

Icarus wrote:McColloch,
Part of your description fits with Toppers. Would you describe how morality is enforced but not legislated?

I do not foresee a world without morality or without legislative enforcement. What I do not wish to see is morality which is based only on supernatural religious viewpoints. Atheist ≠ Amoral.

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:18 pm

Icarus wrote:Goat,
By tradition I assume you mean to refer to the modesty of the majority of women in NY? If not modesty, can you elaborate on how tradition is started.

thanks.

That is totally irrelavent to the point being made. The point was there was a law in place. When the law was repealed, and made irrelavent, the tradition showed that the law was not needed to begin with.

achilles12604 · Post by **achilles12604** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:56 pm

goat wrote:
Icarus wrote:Goat,
By tradition I assume you mean to refer to the modesty of the majority of women in NY? If not modesty, can you elaborate on how tradition is started.

thanks.
That is totally irrelavent to the point being made. The point was there was a law in place. When the law was repealed, and made irrelavent, the tradition showed that the law was not needed to begin with.

What do you think the world would look like with no laws?

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:29 pm

Goat,
Forgive me, my intent was not to debate things in this thread. My bad, I should have worded it different.

McCulloch,
My bad if I implied it here, I am not equating Atheism with Amoral. What I am hoping for is to see how Atheism really plays out.

If this Atheistic "run" world you all are describing has no non-moving reference, how do laws (morals, ethics, guides) not keep from moving?
How have you founded laws or ways of life that can be agreed upon. and anything else you would care to add.

Thanks.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:49 pm

Icarus wrote:If this Atheistic "run" world you all are describing has no non-moving reference, how do laws (morals, ethics, guides) not keep from moving?

You imply that laws, morals, ethics etc should somehow be fixed. Is there some reason why morals, ethics and legislation should not move, just as our understanding of the universe and ourselves move?

Icarus wrote:How have you founded laws or ways of life that can be agreed upon. and anything else you would care to add.

We already are. The fact that we live in a society where there are few if any religious teachings common to all, means that our legislation must be secular. We find values that work for society and for humanity and implement them. We realize that these values are not divine and are subject to constant review and revision.

Icarus · Post by **Icarus** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:07 pm

McCulloch,
So we understand I am not trying to argue here correct?

I myself believe that morals should be fixed. Laws and ethics are flexible as situations reveal.

I guess what I am trying to get a picture of is best served by using some of todays issues. If we as a nation (the U.S.) are battling it out in the courts and society on things like what is marriage defined as, the age of sexual consent, who can think what and speak it where, criminal rights, non-citizen rights... the list goes on.

How does this world you all are describing keep from getting so convoluted that it does not break up into anarchy?

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