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Is it just me or is church boring?

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I had posted in the What should be done with different divisions? thread about churches, but I thought I'd start a new thread to share some more thoughts.

Our family has been visiting a lot of churches lately. We've probably visited over a dozen churches in the Atlanta area - ranging from small to the mega. But, one thing about all these churches is that I'm so bored when I go to their Sunday services. Yes, they have upbeat worship music. Yes, their teachings are all Biblically correct. Yes, the people there are sincere. But for me, I am bored out of my mind. It's almost like everyone is just playing a part on Sundays. People all put on their happy faces and file in mass into a large sactuary. If someone asks you "how are you?", you're suppossed to dutifully say, "fine" or "good". But, if you're a visitor, you'll be lucky if anyone says anything to you. Then sing some songs. Then listen to the pastor give a speech. Then, if you're lucky, partake in communion, which comprises of a small piece of cracker the size of my pinky fingernail and a small thimble of grape juice. Then throw in my visitor card during the offering, which nobody yet has ever called me for follow up. Then we all quietly file out and go home.

Is this what church is suppossed to be? Personally, I don't think so. Yet, all the churches I've visited are exactly like this. When I look around at all the attendees, I see no hint of complaint. Maybe everyone else is happy and content with how the Sunday service operates, but I'm not.

But, I'm not visiting their small groups you might say. True, but I think I'm seeing it from the same perspective as an unchurched person. And if I'm not attracted to churches, why would an unchurched person be attracted?

Well, what am I looking for then?

I want a place where the teachings are relevent to life. It's grounded in the Bible, yet applicable when I walk out the church doors. I'm not interested in just a one-way communication from the pulpit, but a dialogue where I can get to ask questions. I want teachings that can affect my work, my family, and the people around me. I don't necessary want the pastor to do all the teachings either. It should be anyone who has the gift of teaching, and sometimes the pastor just doesn't have that gift.

The biblical exegesis and hermeneutics should be done at other times like a Wed night or a morning Bible study. I don't need the pastor to prove to me he can study the Bible, I primarily care about teachings that I can apply to the real world.

People should be allowed and expected to pour out their burdens to each other. A lot of weight can accumulate over a week, and Sundays would be a good time to let it out and have others pray for you. If someone has a happy face on, then that person had better have a good testimony to share, or else take off the mask.

It should be a time to confess sins and ask forgiveness for each other. Husbands and wives should be able to resolve differences and start fresh for the week. A good time to do this would be communion. And since when did we take wine out of communions? And let's increase the proportions of cracker and wine by at least a factor of 10.

During the singing time, let's expand our repetoire. Add some Christian country music, blues music, soul, jazz, classical, opera, whatever. Let's try to get a little more diverse than sing the same type of music over and over. And instead of always singing songs in major keys, let's sprinkle some minor key music too.

To me, the main action is in small group dynamics. More time should be spent getting people to talk to each other, ministering to each other, listening to each other, praying for each other. Most of the time should be in small groups, not in listening to a sermon. At least 30 minutes should be allocated for small group ministering. 15 minutes max should be enough for teaching.

After church, it's required to eat lunch with someone else in the church. The ideal situation is if the church offers lunch, then everybody can eat together.

If anybody finds a church like this, please let me know. :)

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Pity you do not live in the UK

Wed night teaching over dinner (candles and centre pieces optional) - teaching areas with certificated attendance, apologetics, theology, ministry. The current courses I am working on will extend for 3 years. We will be bring in speakers from all sorts of places this year.

Jazz worship, youth worship on random sundays. Heck we've even had the 6 year olds lead the worship for the day, was crazy to see all the adults doing the actions (or trying).

Small groups in action through the week.

Three times weekly youth services / events.

Looking ahead to online membership with podcast messages, daily devotion emails, webcasting etc.

Weekly street evangelism teams.

Community outreach, feeding programs, festivals in the town centre, Christmas present wrapping services in town, full time day nursery...

The list goes on and on and on.

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Great topic!

This is actually one of the reasons I do not go to church. Instead, I am part of a street ministry.

My take is to simply look at what the original church was and emulate that.

The original church had no need - because they shared whatever was needed.

The original church met in houses - not in huge buildings. This allowed them to acutally KNOW each other rather than know each other.

The original church had two goals; reach people with the message of christ, aid anyone they met with whatever they could.


I think that if you could find a church which was small (perhaps REALLY small), took care of each others needs, (physical but most importantly the need for connection with other men and women), and was focused on helping their little corner and spreading Jesus good news, if you could find a church like this, you may find what you were looking for.

I know this is what I needed and I found it.

If you can't find it, why not start it? Just a thought.
There are a lot of bored men (especially) and women in church today.
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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Sleepy wrote:Pity you do not live in the UK
Is your church affiliated with any particular denomination?
achilles12604 wrote: If you can't find it, why not start it?
That thought has actually crossed my mind several times. But, I'm so busy now, there'd be no way to find the time. However, my time should hopefully be freeing up soon. Perhaps then.

Anybody else in Atlanta would like to join me in starting a cult, er, I mean a church?

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Elim - but my church is pretty unusual for a UK church.

It's basically 4 square gospel with plenty of life

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otseng wrote:
Sleepy wrote:Pity you do not live in the UK
Is your church affiliated with any particular denomination?
achilles12604 wrote: If you can't find it, why not start it?
That thought has actually crossed my mind several times. But, I'm so busy now, there'd be no way to find the time. However, my time should hopefully be freeing up soon. Perhaps then.

Anybody else in Atlanta would like to join me in starting a cult, er, I mean a church?
I would but I am in Colorado. Tell ya what. . .

I'll start a cult here and you can start one there. in 10 years or so, they can be sister churches.

Why are churches called sister churches anyway? Hmmm
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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achilles12604 wrote: I'll start a cult here and you can start one there. in 10 years or so, they can be sister churches.

Why are churches called sister churches anyway? Hmmm
We can call ours sister cults instead. :P

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otseng wrote:Our family has been visiting a lot of churches lately...
Forgive me if this has allready been mentioned (didn't have time to read all the comments), but have you read John Eldridge's "Wild at Heart"? Bordom in the church is one of his major topics, and I feel that he had some great things to say about the issue as well as what to do about it.

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Jester wrote:but have you read John Eldridge's "Wild at Heart"?
Actually, I have. In my previous church, it was what actually started a regular men's paintball battles. That was fun. One funny episode was one time we got a visit from the police. Apparently someone got a little suspicious when they saw a bunch of guys in camouflage carrying guns running into the woods. The policeman though was nice. He knew we weren't terrorists and didn't run us all into the police station.

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otseng wrote:
Jester wrote:but have you read John Eldridge's "Wild at Heart"?
Actually, I have. In my previous church, it was what actually started a regular men's paintball battles. That was fun. One funny episode was one time we got a visit from the police. Apparently someone got a little suspicious when they saw a bunch of guys in camouflage carrying guns running into the woods. The policeman though was nice. He knew we weren't terrorists and didn't run us all into the police station.
Now THAT sounds like a church!

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