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How Human is the Christian God?

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A new forum member posted the following picture as an artist's illustration of how Ezekiel had seen God in a vision according to scriptures.

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This is typically how the Christian God is described. A very human-like elderly man not unlike Santa Claus sitting on a throne in heaven looking down upon earth watching very move that every single person ever makes.

Of course this picture is not up to date, because after the New Testament we should now see Jesus sitting in a second throne on the right-hand of God. Christianity is a polytheistic religion now. It has two God sitting on thrones, a Father God and as Son God. This is absolutely necessary based upon scriptures because the New Testament scripture describe Jesus

Mark.16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke.22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts.7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Heb.12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1Pet.3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

There are many more scriptural references to Jesus sitting at the right hand of the throne of God. So now a proper picture of Christian Heaven requires two Gods sitting on two thrones. It cannot be said to be a monotheistic religion. This is no different from Zeus and Apollo.

Bet getting back to the topic at hand, just how human are Jesus and Yahweh?

Clearly they both feel a need to sit down. Do they get tired of standing? :-k

Clearly Jesus needed to take his physical body back with him to heaven. It only makes sense that he's still using that same body, otherwise why bother taken it back with him? Also will he forever have his scars from the crucifixion? Or have they all healed by now in heaven?

Clearly the Father God must also have a physical human like body as well since he is also sitting on a throne. That brings up more questions. Is there gravity in heaven? If so, is heaven on a planet? What causes gravity in heaven?

Does God have wings like the angels? Can God fly? Will Jesus grow wings too or do God and Jesus just levitate without the need of any wings? Also if they can levitate without wings why bother sitting on thrones? Why not just levitate? Does levitating cause them to tire?

Do they ever do anything other than just sitting on these thrones spying into everyone's business? Is watching humans entertaining to them? Have their created humans for the purpose of having a live soap opera to watch?

Don't they ever have anything better to do with themselves? :-k

Do they eat? Do they go to the bathroom? Are there toilets in heaven, or do their thrones double as toilets? Maybe that's what their thrones actually are?

Does anyone truly take this view of God seriously?

Well, that's not the real question I'd like to open for discussion. The real question for discussion is:

Just how human are Yahweh and Jesus?

And why are they sitting down all the time? Are they tired? Do they ever get up to exercise? Is it possible to look up into heaven at some point in time and actually see two empty thrones there because Jesus and Yahweh went off to do something else for a while?
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Robert Barnes wrote: Jesus was 100% human and 100% Spirit
That seems illogical. How do you know it is true?
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GOD is not human at all as all humans are characterized as being sinful by their free will decision to reject either HIS as deity or HIS plans for us...
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PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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Robert Barnes wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Divine Insight]

God is not human, Jesus was 100% human and 100% Spirit, when He rose to heaven He lost His human appearance.
Ummm, every human is a body and a spirit, 100% body, 100% spirit...James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead...

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PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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So now a proper picture of Christian Heaven requires two Gods sitting on two thrones. It cannot be said to be a monotheistic religion. This is no different from Zeus and Apollo.
Two or three divine people do not make two or three GODs because the divine attributes create a divine unity such that is is more correct to say that these three divine people form ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD. The definition of the Trinity is a definition of unity, not of mathematical properties....

Zeus and Apollo are not divine, they do not have a unity of attributes and were never considered to be anything else but individuals.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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The artwork for Ezekiel 1 is cool. O:) The overwhelming feeling of Ezekiel 1 is motion but animating it would be very difficult and expensive.

If a passage of Ezekiel were to be animated, I would choose this one.
Ezekiel 37

The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?�

I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.�

4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’�

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.

9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’� 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army.
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ttruscott wrote: Two or three divine people do not make two or three GODs because the divine attributes create a divine unity such that is is more correct to say that these three divine people form ONE TRUE AND LIVING GOD. The definition of the Trinity is a definition of unity, not of mathematical properties....
If someone tried to tell you all this about their favorite gods would it be convincing?

Would you NOT think they were talking gobbledygook?

If they had a book that said such things, would that confirm their claims?
ttruscott wrote: Zeus and Apollo are not divine,
How, exactly, do you know this?

Worshipers of those gods (and thousands of others) are / were just as convinced they were divine as Christians, Jews and Muslims are convinced that the Abrahamic God (and "son") are divine.
ttruscott wrote: they do not have a unity of attributes and were never considered to be anything else but individuals.
Is this all based upon actual knowledge of what worshipers of Zeus and Apollo claimed for their gods?
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Zzyzx wrote:
ttruscott wrote: they do not have a unity of attributes and were never considered to be anything else but individuals.
Is this all based upon actual knowledge of what worshipers of Zeus and Apollo claimed for their gods?
Though I think ttruscott are probably not in full agreement regarding the nature of Adonai, I think The Iliad, The Labors of Hercules, The Theogony and other works of Greek mythology, show a pantheon of Deities that are at constant conflict, held at bay only by The Fates. This is so similar to the animistic pantheons of the ancient near eastern Serpent mythologies that many think that they were inspired by them. As I have I asserted on other threads, it is my view that the first three chapters of Genesis and by extension the rest of the Scriptures present a contrasting unitary deity where conflict is not the result of competing deities, but the actions of non-deities rejecting the ways of the unitary deity and seeking to establish their own. As to which came first, that is a matter of opinion. I personally hold that the second three chapters of genesis show the rise of the non-deities against Adonai's ways that predated them.

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Robert Barnes wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Divine Insight]

God is not human, Jesus was 100% human and 100% Spirit, when He rose to heaven He lost His human appearance.

that adds up to 200%. So, that is obviously not a correct statement.

Maybe you can tell me what 'Spirit' is? Can you give me a definition, and then show it actually exists?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Goat wrote:
Robert Barnes wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Divine Insight]

God is not human, Jesus was 100% human and 100% Spirit, when He rose to heaven He lost His human appearance.

that adds up to 200%. So, that is obviously not a correct statement.

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Cannot a dog be 100% canine and 100% collie at the same time...two perfect aspects of one thing?

Peace, Ted
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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