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Recently, a letter is published from Ayatollah Kamenei, the leader of Islamic Republic of Iran. It's written to the youth of Europe and North America and they're invited to receive the right understanding of Islam through Quran. What do you think about this suggestion? :?:
I apologize for putting this long text here, but I do so because I guess you may not have seen it.

In the name of God, the Beneficent the Merciful
To the Youth in Europe and North America,
The recent events in France and similar ones in some other Western countries have convinced me to
directly talk to you about them. I am addressing you, [the youth], not because I overlook your parents,
rather it is because the future of your nations and countries will be in your hands; and also I find that the
sense of quest for truth is more vigorous and attentive in your hearts.
I don’t address your politicians and statesmen either in this writing because I believe that they have
consciously separated the route of politics from the path of righteousness and truth.
I would like to talk to you about Islam, particularly the image that is presented to you as Islam. Many
attempts have been made over the past two decades, almost since the disintegration of the Soviet Union,
to place this great religion in the seat of a horrifying enemy. The provocation of a feeling of horror and
hatred and its utilization has unfortunately a long record in the political history of the West.
Here, I don’t want to deal with the different phobias with which the Western nations have thus far been
indoctrinated. A cursory review of recent critical studies of history would bring home to you the fact that
the Western governments’ insincere and hypocritical treatment of other nations and cultures has been
censured in new historiographies.
The histories of the United States and Europe are ashamed of slavery, embarrassed by the colonial period
and chagrined at the oppression of people of color and non-Christians. Your researchers and historians are
deeply ashamed of the bloodsheds wrought in the name of religion between the Catholics and Protestants
or in the name of nationality and ethnicity during the First and Second World Wars. This approach is
admirable.
By mentioning a fraction of this long list, I don’t want to reproach history; rather I would like you to ask
your intellectuals as to why the public conscience in the West awakens and comes to its senses after a delay
of several decades or centuries. Why should the revision of collective conscience apply to the distant past
and not to the current problems? Why is it that attempts are made to prevent public awareness regarding
an important issue such as the treatment of Islamic culture and thought?
You know well that humiliation and spreading hatred and illusionary fear of the “other� have been the
common base of all those oppressive profiteers. Now, I would like you to ask yourself why the old policy
of spreading “phobia� and hatred has targeted Islam and Muslims with an unprecedented intensity. Why
does the power structure in the world want Islamic thought to be marginalized and remain latent? What
concepts and values in Islam disturb the programs of the super powers and what interests are safeguarded
in the shadow of distorting the image of Islam? Hence, my first request is: Study and research the
incentives behind this widespread tarnishing of the image of Islam.
My second request is that in reaction to the flood of prejudgments and disinformation campaigns, try to
gain a direct and firsthand knowledge of this religion. The right logic requires that you understand the
nature and essence of what they are frightening you about and want you to keep away from.
I don’t insist that you accept my reading or any other reading of Islam. What I want to say is: Don’t allow
this dynamic and effective reality in today’s world to be introduced to you through resentments and
prejudices. Don’t allow them to hypocritically introduce their own recruited terrorists as representatives of
Islam.
Receive knowledge of Islam from its primary and original sources. Gain information about Islam through
the Qur’an and the life of its great Prophet. I would like to ask you whether you have directly read the
Qur’an of the Muslims. Have you studied the teachings of the Prophet of Islam and his humane, ethical
doctrines? Have you ever received the message of Islam from any sources other than the media?
Have you ever asked yourself how and on the basis of which values has Islam established the greatest
scientific and intellectual civilization of the world and raised the most distinguished scientists and
intellectuals throughout several centuries?
I would like you not to allow the derogatory and offensive image-buildings to create an emotional gulf
between you and the reality, taking away the possibility of an impartial judgment from you. Today, the
communication media have removed the geographical borders. Hence, don’t allow them to besiege you
within fabricated and mental borders.
Although no one can individually fill the created gaps, each one of you can construct a bridge of
thought and fairness over the gaps to illuminate yourself and your surrounding environment. While this
preplanned challenge between Islam and you, the youth, is undesirable, it can raise new questions in
your curious and inquiring minds. Attempts to find answers to these questions will provide you with an
appropriate opportunity to discover new truths.
Therefore, don’t miss the opportunity to gain proper, correct and unbiased understanding of Islam so that
hopefully, due to your sense of responsibility toward the truth, future generations would write the history
of this current interaction between Islam and the West with a clearer conscience and lesser resentment.
Seyyed Ali Khamenei
21st Jan. 2015

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If there truly was a God there would be no need for mere mortal men to try to recruit and indoctrinate youths into their religion.

Moreover, the fact that it's aimed at youths clearly shows that it's seeking easily impressionable minds, and avoiding those who are truly educated and wise.

Islam is based on a jealous God who supposedly hates everyone who doesn't worship the Qur'an as his Holy Word. It's no different from any of the other Abrahamic religions. It's the same old scam.

If there truly was a righteous God there would be no such thing as religions competing with each other for the attention of impressionable innocent youths. :roll:

The mere fact that someone actually wrote this letter reveals the fallacy of their religion.
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[Replying to Divine Insight]

Obviously, if God wanted, all the people would have believed in him. But he hasn't wanted so because he has created 'man' as a creature having the power of selection. Besides, he has shown the path of success and good fortune through which a person can reach the final goal of life. Everyone can choose the way of his/her life and will see the reaction of his/her actions and behavior.
It's impossible for somebody to love God but not to love other people. Therefore, everyone tries to show others the right path which can make a body successful.
That's what I believe. :)
Also, If you read the letter, the writer has noted why he has addressed the youth in it.

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@ Devine Insight
If there truly was a God there would be no need for mere mortal men to try to recruit and indoctrinate youths into their religion.

Moreover, the fact that it's aimed at youths clearly shows that it's seeking easily impressionable minds, and avoiding those who are truly educated and wise.

Islam is based on a jealous God who supposedly hates everyone who doesn't worship the Qur'an as his Holy Word. It's no different from any of the other Abrahamic religions. It's the same old scam.

If there truly was a righteous God there would be no such thing as religions competing with each other for the attention of impressionable innocent youths.

The mere fact that someone actually wrote this letter reveals the fallacy of their religion.
This is only your opinion, God has allowed man to choose his own destiny, it's very simple.

In the contrary the future is in the hands of the youth and change will only come about with future generations, therefore to suggest the youth are uneducated and not wise is wrong judgement.

Again no evidence has been put forth, you would like to believe what you say is true, God loves us more than a mother her child. Hence the reason He gives you so many chances in life to turn back to Him. He is no need of you, He could do away with you in an instance for not worshipping Him, but He is All-Merciful, hence the reason why He delays the day you meet Him.

We are aware of the way this life was Created, and the evil it consists, this is made very clear in the Quran. If this was not the case it would defeat the entire point of the reason of our existence and we wouldn't be here, as every person would be destined to Paradise whereas this is not the case.

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@ sooood

Yes, it is true and fair to believe that each person make it a priority to seek the truth. It is even further incumbent upon each individual to learn about Islam and it's teachings from correct sources and from knowledgable people who are upon the straight path in regards to its teachings. However this letter was published by Ayatollah Kamenei which is representative of a deviated sect, in which innovation and sin is widespread and common. The Shia sect is not Islam and is not established on the correct methodology and creed of Islam.

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[Replying to HaLi8993]

Why do you think Shia is a deviated sect of Islam? What are your reasons of what you said?

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@ sooood
Why do you think Shia is a deviated sect of Islam? What are your reasons of what you said?
The Shia have many sects. Some of which associate partners onto God by worshipping people instead of God ie. Ali (May God be pleased with him) and call upon him as an intercessor. Something that Islam prohibits. While there are others who say their imams are better than the angels and Prophets. Again something that goes against the teachings of Islam.

There are many groups among the Shia and they are of different levels and types. The one who wants to know more about this can refer to the books of the scholars, such as:

1) Al-Khutoot al-‘Areedah by Muhibb al-Deen al-Khateeb (available in English under the same title, translated by Abu Ameenah Bilaal Philips)

2) Manhaaj al-Sunnah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah.

3) Al-Shi’ah wa’l-Sunnah by Ihsaan Ilaahi Zaheer([also available in English translation)

There are also many other books which explain their errors and evils some of which are temporary marriage (Mutah), lying and associating partners with God and cursing all of which go against the Quran and Sunnah. If a person claims to be a Muslim, his claim should be examined. The one who worships Allaah (God) alone and believes in His Messenger, and follows that which he brought, is a real Muslim. If a person claims to be a Muslim but he worships anyone else, then he is not a Muslim. Similarly, anyone who reviles the faith is not a Muslim. :)

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[Replying to HaLi8993]

I know that the writer of this letter is a twelver (the sect which believes in twelve Imams). They don't worship anyone except God. They believe that if we pray God, we should do what his prophet wants us. The prophet shows the direct and right path. They also believe the prophet determined the Imam after himself, so we should obey him. I don't want to read all that books, I just wanted to know your beliefs. If you've read them, tell me why you say they're deviated.

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@sooood
I know that the writer of this letter is a twelver (the sect which believes in twelve Imams). They don't worship anyone except God. They believe that if we pray God, we should do what his prophet wants us. The prophet shows the direct and right path. They also believe the prophet determined the Imam after himself, so we should obey him. I don't want to read all that books, I just wanted to know your beliefs. If you've read them, tell me why you say they're deviated.
Those that call themselves twelvers reject most of the Sahaabah and they reject the leadership of the two Shaykhs Abu Bakr and Umar (May Allaah be pleased with them both). They are primarily focused on the issue of imamate, and they made it a basic principle of their religion, or because they claim that the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated that Ali and his descendents would be imams.

They believe in the imamate of twelve men from the Prophet’s family (ahl al-bayt), the first of whom was Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and the last of whom was Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Askari, the supposed hidden imam, in which there isn't a trace of evidence for, nor is there anything in the Quran to suggest a hidden imam, or that the Prophet (peace be upon him) ever believed in such a thing, so where did this come from, if it is the Prophet (peace be upon him) they claim to follow??

In Islam everything we accept and follow must come from the Quran or Authenticated Sunnah, which the Shia do not follow. They hold beliefs and principles which are contrary to those of the people of Islam, I have listed a few for you as follows:

1) They exaggerate about their imams, claiming that they are infallible, and they devote many acts of worship to them such as supplication, seeking help, offering sacrifices and tawaaf (circumambulating their tombs). This is major shirk which Allaah tells us will not be forgiven. These acts of shirk are committed by their scholars and common people alike, without anyone among them objecting to that. How are they worshipping God alone??

2) They say that the Holy Qur’an has been distorted, and that things have been added and taken away. They have books concerning that which are known to their scholars and many of their common people, and they also say that believing that the Qur’an has been distorted is an essential tenet of their beliefs. How can the religion of God pure and perfect in which God says:

QURAN 5:3

"......This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion......"

Be distorted or incomplete??

3) They regard most of the Sahaabah (companions) (may Allaah be pleased with them) as kaafirs (disbelievers) and seek to draw closer to Allaah by cursing them. They claim that they apostatised after the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) except very few.This is a rejection of the Qur’aan which affirms their virtue, and says that Allaah was pleased with them and chose them to accompany His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Any person who rejects the Quran
rejecting what it says in it is not a Muslim. Allaah in more than one place, was pleased with the companions and praised them.

Quran 3:110, Allaah says:

“You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind�

Therefore the best of them were the first generation. But according the twelvers , most of them were kaafirs and rebellious evildoers, and this ummah is the worst of nations and the earliest generations of this ummah were the most evil of them.

The fact that this is kufr is something that no Muslim has any excuse for not knowing. Therefore the Shia must prove that these companions they deny we're not followers of Islamic Monotheism and we're not followers of the Prophet (peace be upon him). This also is a complete mockery of Allaah, May He be exalted as it implies the attribution of ignorance to Allaah.

5) They believe in taqiyah (dissimulation) which means showing outwardly something other than what one feels inside. In fact this is lying and hypocrisy and skill in deceiving people. Again we are aware that this is disallowed.

Therefore these beliefs are something that have been introduced into Islam and have nothing to do with Islam. :)

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HaLi8993 wrote: He gives you so many chances in life to turn back to Him.
Turn back to who? I never turned away from any God in the first place. If there exists a God I'm confident that She loves me, and doesn't need your permission. :roll:

HaLi8993 wrote: He is no need of you, He could do away with you in an instance for not worshipping Him,
Any God who is so immature and egotistically hard-up that he needs to be "worshiped" is already extremely pathetic and unworthy of anyone's worship.
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