How is God not responsible for the harm caused by Satan?

[lostguest]

If God created Satan and was fully aware of the harm he wanted to cause to humanity, why would he allow him to exist, gave him "super powers" and let him loose first in the Garden of Eden and then in the world.
Here's an analogy: if a person owns a vicious dog and is fully aware of the animal's capacity to cause injury, shouldn't that person be directly responsible for any damage the animal causes if he fails to either restrain or destroy the animal. Now imagine what would anyone say if that same dog owner purposely released that dog in a room full of children and locked the doors and windows?
How is this example different from God and his vicious pet Satan?

[Peds nurse]

[Replying to post 49 by OnceConvinced]

I'm so sorry that I didn't clarify what I was specifically responding to earlier. It will take a while but hopefully I will catch on.

But it leaves mankind in a no win situation doesn't it? Nobody can prove that they have the correct interpretations. No one can prove they have the holy spirit backing them. It could be that they have been mislead by demons. For all we know even YOU could be mislead by demons. Why should anyone believe that YOU are hearing from the holy spirit while so many others are being lead mislead?

This is what I was referring to! Thanks for your patience!

[Yahu]

[Replying to ttruscott]

By the time there came to be humans on earth, GOD certainly knew Satan's animosity and deviousness but I reject your suggestion Satan has super powers as unsupported in Scripture.

Are you saying that Satan is just a human like us? So I can kill him with a gun? My understanding is that Satan is a fallen angel and not just any angel but a top angel. And if so angels definitely have "superpowers" far beyond mere human capacities. So if you don't agree that Satan is far more powerful than any human then give me your description of who or what you think Satan is.

Well your understanding is wrong. Satan isn't even a fallen angel. He is the SON OF an angel, the 'son of Shachar' who was also a Canaanite god. He was NOT the serpent in the garden. That was a different angel, one jealous of the status of man that was punished with imprisonment with the other angels that sinned pre-flood for having children. They are not let back out of that prison until the period of the tribulation.

Satan isn't even a name. It is a title for the prosecutor in the divine counsel. He can only impose punishment on those that have violated Yah's law. He is just the ghost of a dead nephilim, granted the most powerful one that rules over the realm of the dead outside of the heavenly kingdom. The same individual has not always held that position. The current HaSatan has only had his position since the Tower of Babel when his father was removed from that position.

Yah gave dominion of the earth over to man. HaSatan only has authority here because he was born as a man on the earth but born as an angelic hybrid. He is just a ghost with no physical form.

The demonic realm is made up of 'evil spirits', NOT fallen angels. There are NO fallen angels that can influence the realm of the living. They are ALL in prison and won't be let out until the tribulation. Lucifer/Satan is the most powerful son of one of the four angels bound at the Euphrates. They were bound at the time of Babel for also having children post flood. They and their children are the pagan gods of antiquity and that corruption started at Babel.

'Lucifer' for example is a Latin epitaph of the pagan sun god. It is equivalent to Pheobus in the Greek which was an epitaph of Apollo. Lucifer is just the spirit of the dead demi-god Apollo, a Nephilim ghost. Who the Greeks called Zeus was the former Satan, an agent of Yah enforcing Yah's law over men but fell into error and was cast down for it. He was the Satan that was cast down 'as lightning'. He was Hadad (the thunderer) to the Syrians for example. The ancient pagan gods were real individuals. It is their spirits that rule over the realms of the spirits of the dead while their angelic parents are in prison until the tribulation when they will walk the earth again.

So NO, you can't kill Satan with your gun. He is already dead but that does not stop him from having rule over many other 'evil spirits' that lead people into error then punish them for violating Yah's laws.

The enemy can NOT harm you unless there is unrepented sin in your life. I have seen this personally. I have had battles with covens where they tried to kill me but could not. I have been in direct conflict with a high priestess of Ashtoreth that was to be the next worldwide high priestess of one of those ancient pagan goddess who is the 2nd ranked principality, ie the twin sister of Lucifer/Apollo. Lucifer himself told that high priestess he could not kill me unless they got me to fall into some sin that carried a death penalty by Yah's law.

[OnceConvinced]

[Replying to post 49 by OnceConvinced]

But it leaves mankind in a no win situation doesn't it? Nobody can prove that they have the correct interpretations. No one can prove they have the holy spirit backing them. It could be that they have been mislead by demons. For all we know even YOU could be mislead by demons. Why should anyone believe that YOU are hearing from the holy spirit while so many others are being lead mislead?

Since the Holy Spirit comes from God, and God is good, the Spirit cannot contradict the word of God. This would nullify the thought that demons could be the Spirit. We can ignore the Holy Spirit, and we can also say that the Holy Spirit is in us, when indeed it may not be. To have the Holy Spirit dwell in us, we must acknowledge God.
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If you had the holy spirit then we could say that demons are not misleading you, but what I'm saying is that for all we know you do not have the holy spirit in you and are in fact being misled by demons. We know that scripture can be taken many different ways. Demons would be smart enough to manipulate you in a way that doesn't actually violate the word of God. They would just make small changes here and there so that you get the wrong message and you spread that wrong message. Perhaps what you see as a correct interpretation of scripture is no actually correct at all?

Many Christians claim they are filled with the holy spirit but yet come up with conflicting translations of scripture. Who are the ones being misled and who are the ones who are right?

[Goat]

[Replying to post 51 by OnceConvinced]

Since the Holy Spirit comes from God, and God is good, the Spirit cannot contradict the word of God. This would nullify the thought that demons could be the Spirit. We can ignore the Holy Spirit, and we can also say that the Holy Spirit is in us, when indeed it may not be. To have the Holy Spirit dwell in us, we must acknowledge God.

Yes, did not God also create Satan? God created all things. Does not God know all things?? Did not God know what would happen if he created Satan?

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 51 by OnceConvinced]

Since the Holy Spirit comes from God, and God is good, the Spirit cannot contradict the word of God. This would nullify the thought that demons could be the Spirit. We can ignore the Holy Spirit, and we can also say that the Holy Spirit is in us, when indeed it may not be. To have the Holy Spirit dwell in us, we must acknowledge God.

Yes, did not God also create Satan?

I contend that Christianity teaches that GOD did not create Satan but created a ingenuously innocent person who self created himself as the evil Satan.

God created all things.

I contend for a Christianity that teaches that GOD did not create the result so our free will decisions and did not know of them until we made the choice.

Does not God know all things??

I contend that GOD is not omniscient from eternity past to future by HIS nature as the pagan Greeks slipped into the church via Augustine but knows all things about HIS creative decrees since the beginning of creation.

Did not God know what would happen if he created Satan?

GOD certainly knew all the possibilities of HIS creation but by not decreeing the results of our free will decisions, HE did NOT know the results before we chose them so HE certainly did not know Satan would choose eternal evil before he was created nor before he chose.

Peace, Ted