The Bible is not the word of God

[DrProctopus]

A bunch of people who believed that God was talking to them wrote down what they believed God was saying.

The more relevant or successful scriptures were kept and eventually composed into the OT.

Something similar happend after Jesus did his thing, and the NT was produced.


Nowhere in this process do I see any reason to believe that every single word in the Bible is the word of God. Why should I believe someone when they claim to speak for God?

So, the point of debate is this:

Is there actually any decent reason to believe that the Bible is 100% the word of God?

[Easyrider]

Apparently God isn't doing a very good job since the majority of people in the above examples are CHRISTIANS!

Really? And you know this how?

Christians have one of the highest rates of divorce, by percentage, of any group of Americans...

True, that's one of the cancers of living in the secular-influenced world - people think it's okay. But the secularist's rates would undoubtedly be much higher if a lot of the secularist infidels would bother to get married instead of fornicating and living in sin.

and the KKK is a Christian organization.

Nonsense. That's a bald faced lie. The KKK teaches hate. Jesus taught love.

So when does God plan on getting started making his people better?

You mean so they can be more like your liberal fundamentalists? LOL!

Liberal Fundamentalism is a failed and destructive philosophical enterprise, replete with a host of anti-Biblical, pseudo-religious doctrines, that seeks to elevate the ways and “wisdom” of man above the wisdom and desires of God. It’s principle aim is the sacking of traditional Judaic and Christian values and beliefs, which are “revisited” through suspect liberal “scholarship” or politically-correct dogma in an effort to replace them with the tenets of carnal moral hedonism and the failed social doctrines of today’s liberal elitists .

The genesis of today’s liberal fundamentalists were the anti-traditionalist hedonists of the 1960's and 70's. They advocated fornication and “free-love”, illegal substance abuse, moral relativism, contempt for authority, and enjoyed a prosperous America founded on the very hard work and enterprise they sought to distance themselves from. The freedoms they enjoyed were purchased by the blood, sweat, and tears and personal sacrifices of the very forefathers they held in contempt.

Personal responsibility, self-restraint and self-sacrifice were often foreign concepts to them. “Right and wrong”, “good and evil” were arbitrarily revisited, for such concepts had no objective meaning to them. They had no objective rationality for their hedonistic philosophy other than it “feels good, so let’s do it”. The only righteous cause that qualified for support in their carnal minds was the undermining and revising of traditional American and Judeo-Christian values. They said not to trust anyone "over 30," and now they're over 30 and say, "Trust us, and what we teach!"

One of the most revered mantras of the liberal fundamentalists is “equality”. The net effect of this experiment was to elevate women via the degradation of men; promote racial equality by instituting racial-based preferences and reverse-discrimination; engender class warfare against people of means via their redistribution of wealth schemes (a concept centered in greed for other people’s money, rather than rely on one’s own personal initiative and work ethic); and elevate wickedness (sodomy, fornication, and other corrupt lifestyles) to the plateau of respectability at the expense of traditional Godly values.

Along with the failed liberal concept of equality was the mantra of liberal “tolerance”. However, liberal tolerance is not what it appears to be. It is a corrupted partisan philosophical perspective with its own rigid set of dogmas. It assumes, for instance, a relativistic view of moral and religious knowledge. This assumption has shaped the way many people think about issues such as homosexuality, abortion rights, and religious truth claims, leading them to believe that a liberally tolerant posture concerning these issues is the correct one and that it ought to be reflected in our laws and customs. But this posture is often dogmatic, intolerant, and coercive, for it asserts that there is only one correct view on these issues, and if one does not embrace it, one may likely face public ridicule, demagogic tactics, and perhaps even legal reprisals. Liberal tolerance is therefore neither liberal nor tolerant.

Rather than truly embrace “freedom”, liberal fundamentalists seek to control virtually every aspect of the lives of the masses which are unfortunate enough to be under their fundamentalist rulership. They seek to outlaw SUV’s, impose smoking bans while advocating marijuana use, prohibit freedom of religious expression in government and public schools, advocate compulsory training in politically correct opinions and attitudes, seek to enforce Bible bans in schools and the workplace, embrace a de-facto litmus test against possible pro-life judicial nominees, seek to criminalize pro-life demonstrations through the RICO racketeering statute, seek to squelch free religious speech via “hate-speech” laws (Note Canada), and generally engage in a whole range of behaviors designed to subvert the U.S. Constitution and traditional American values.

IMO, Liberal fundamentalism generally undermines the basic effectiveness of the government, legislatures, and other societal elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of liberalism, attempts to build a utopian liberal society in America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering and discontent. As a result, liberal fundamentalism is strongly associated with left-wing fanaticism, reverse-racism, anti-intellectualism, elitism, nihilism, godlessness, and societal violence.

[Aristarkos]

Perhaps you can show me an example of where another religion has better wisdom on something that can improve upon the Bible?

The Bible sends more mixed messages on the subject of war/killing/violence ... compared to the Tao for example.

[Scrotum]

I love it how Christians always flat out, deny what they are, its really funny and tragic at the same time.

The KKK is a very Christian organization, but i guess that is like you guys refuse to accept that Adolf Hitler was Christian, so lets move on...

Really? And you know this how?

Well, i guess he uses his brain to conclude that? Or you are just going to deny anyone that might give you a bad name happens to be Christian? NO, John Paul is NOT A CHRISTIAN.. etcetera? Cheezes, you guys really have problems.

Nonsense. That's a bald faced lie. The KKK teaches hate. Jesus taught love.

And the God of the OT teaches hatred towards quite a number of things, are you saying we should ignore some of Gods teachings ?

[Easyrider]

The KKK is a very Christian organization, but i guess that is like you guys refuse to accept that Adolf Hitler was Christian, so lets move on...

This is just more failed hubris. You people don't know what you're talking about.

[Scrotum]

Of course not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkkk.htm


And EVERYONE thats a Christian refuse to accept it, VERY MUCH like all of todays Christians refuse to accept that Hitler was a Christian, even when he stated it, and showed, much like Churchill (as example) his Christian.... ways...

But dont worry about it, the Bible is quite racist, like the KKK, and the Bible have lots of slaughter and killings like Hitler did, i really dont see the problem.

[Cathar1950]

I think you need a lesson on thinking out side your box.

Sanctification is a work of God in men's lives to make them more like Christ. Psychology does not have such a mechanism, which is why it falls short.

That and all your verses don’t make either proposition true.
Is it Mechanism or magic? Is it Mechanism or ritual?

I would think they have both fallen short. Except psychology doesn’t think it is perfect and infallible. Even your sanctification isn’t finished or has a finished product. You must wait until you die. In this life it falls short too.

[Cephus]

True, that's one of the cancers of living in the secular-influenced world - people think it's okay. But the secularist's rates would undoubtedly be much higher if a lot of the secularist infidels would bother to get married instead of fornicating and living in sin.

Sorry, Christians "live in sin" just as often as non-Christians, but they have a much higher divorce rate than non-Christians. So much for marriage being a holy sacrament, huh?

Nonsense. That's a bald faced lie. The KKK teaches hate. Jesus taught love.

You know, the depth of your ignorance knows no bounds, does it? Go look at their website for crying out loud! The first thing on the site is: "Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America!" Do you even bother to do any research before you blather off here or should we just discount everything you say?

[Cephus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkkk.htm

Let's not go confusing him with the facts, he might have to learn something. What's next, he'll deny the Christian Identity movement?

"The Christian Identity movement is a movement of many extremely conservative Christian churches and religious organizations, extreme right wing political groups and survival groups. Some are independent; others are loosely interconnected. According to Professor Michael Barkun, one of the leading experts in the Christian Identity movement, "This virulent racist and anti-Semitic theology, which is practiced by over 50,000 people in the United States alone, is prevalent among many right wing extremist groups and has been called the 'glue' of the racist right."

The largest Christian Identity movement has traditionally been the Ku Klux Klan which was reorganized in 1915 by William Simmons, a Christian pastor."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_ident.htm

[Aristarkos]

There are a lot of strange people in the world; some of them doing terrible things in the name of Christianity. But the Bible has some good stuff in it. Unfortunately, you’ve got some literalists out there taking certain parts to back their own terrible agendas as if God were on their side. This is dangerous and will naturally give the Bible and God a bad name. Opening people’s minds to the idea that the Bible is not the Word of God is a good thing (like the Da Vince Code movie). But if we look at the Bible with a fresh perspective, we can take from it what is good … just like we would from any other literary collection.

[Cephus]

There are a lot of strange people in the world; some of them doing terrible things in the name of Christianity. But the Bible has some good stuff in it. Unfortunately, you’ve got some literalists out there taking certain parts to back their own terrible agendas as if God were on their side. This is dangerous and will naturally give the Bible and God a bad name. Opening people’s minds to the idea that the Bible is not the Word of God is a good thing (like the Da Vince Code movie). But if we look at the Bible with a fresh perspective, we can take from it what is good … just like we would from any other literary collection.

Sure, the Bible has some good stuff in it and the Vedas have some good stuff in them and the Qu'ran has some good stuff in it and the Enuma Elish has some good stuff in it. Heck, most books have some good stuff in them, but it's not rational to base your life on a book because it has some "good stuff".

People need to take the good stuff out of the Bible, discard all the worthless crap, and get a life of their own.