There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.
As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.
Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?
Christian marriage is man and woman/husband and wife.
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Post #1072
Justify this obscenity.Sonofason wrote: Surely, the woman deserved death
I'll tell you everything I've learned...................
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
Post #1073
“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel."
(Deuteronomy 22:22)
Post #1074
NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.
Justify it.
I'll tell you everything I've learned...................
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
and LOVE is all he said
-The Boy With The Moon and Star On His Head-Cat Stevens.
Post #1075
I'm sorry, I cannot justify the obscenity of adultery.10CC wrote:NO! I said justify the obscenity not supply the obscene passage that supports it.
Justify it.
Post #1076
You've either missed the point of the question or you're using sarcasm here since adultery was not the obscenity spoken of. That said, the obscenity of adultery is nowhere near the obscenity behind a God who demands the death of an adulterer by stoning. Have you ever seen someone stoned to death? Try YouTube. How Christians can so casually accept this God of cruelty and actually kowtow to Him is beyond me. But, they do casually accept this God of cruelty and actually kowtow to Him.
Post #1077
I'm 99% sure that I didn't argue that point although I'd disagree with calling it "truth" rather than "dogma" or "belief". There aren't different truths.99percentatheism wrote:So let's unfog the issue shall we?unfogged wrote: [Replying to post 1032 by Stan]
As was later pointed out, the 'homo' prefix in homosexual is from the greek for 'same'. The 'homo' part of 'homo sapiens' is from the latin for 'human'. A claim that 'homosexual' can only apply to 'homo sapiens' because the terms in English are homonyms just does not make sense not matter how you look at it.
Christian Marriage is man and woman/husband and wife. There is no such thing as same gender marriage in Christian truth. That is just pure honesty based on Biblical truth.
Post #1078
I asked 4 SPECIFIC questions of 99percentatheism. I asked him to answer the questions in his own words without the usual dramatics, the unnecessary padding and without the use of ambiguous scriptures that have little or nothing to do with the topic. You will notice, dear reader, that he was unable to do so. Since I'm a fair person I'll give him another chance.99percentatheism wrote: KCKID
[Replying to post 1043 by 99percentatheism]
Ply your subterfuge on someone else. It is your lack of the ability to use scripture in any way to celebrate gay activism that is on display here. You will never be able to use scripture to support the gay agenda and that is why you want the use of scripture disqualified.99percent, of those 'gay marrieds' that choose to belong to a Christian Church ...what IS this 'sin' that you keep referring to? Please be specific because you're being far too broad here as well as presenting scriptures that are also as broad and don't appear to relate to this particular topic. You should be able to articulate your particular 'problem' with gay marrieds in one sentence if you choose to do so. So, would you do so without all of the additional drama, hysteria and padding?
Please respond to the following:
1. What precisely is it that gay people are doing in the Church that is causing such a threat to your Church . . .?
2. What does what you imagine a homosexual couple might be doing in their bedroom have to do with their effectiveness as a Christian?
3. What does what you imagine a heterosexual couple doing in their bedroom make them more effective Christians than the gay couple?
4. Should not what gay or straight couples might be doing in their bedrooms be off-limits to the Church?
If you need to search through the Bible to find some ambiguous scriptures that have nothing to do with the topic ...please, just tell me that you can't answer the questions in your own words. I'll understand ...really I will . . .
And it is clear why.
Since you choose to refuse to actually answer any of my positions, all I can assume is that you have no answer to orthodoxy other than tricks or of course insults and political neologisms.I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all.
Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.
- Galations 1
All you have to do is to invent another religion and have at your gay agenda all you want. It's a bit unsettling, the demand that gay activism and LGBT political demands be superior to the Christian orthodoxy. Honest Christians desire to follow orthodox truth in honest Christian Churches that see the incompatible nature of LGBT social demands isn't a bad thing. In fact it is just honesty.
But alas, Christians have been through this all before and should realize that there is nothing new under the sun:
. . . I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
- Jude
1. What precisely is it that gay people are doing in the Church that is causing such a threat to your Church . . .?
2. What does what you imagine a homosexual couple might be doing in their bedroom have to do with their effectiveness as a Christian?
3. What does what you imagine a heterosexual couple doing in their bedroom make them more effective Christians than the gay couple?
4. Should not what gay or straight couples might be doing in their bedrooms be off-limits to the Church?
Post #1079
[Replying to post 1061 by 99percentatheism]
Well, maybe I have a bit more experience dealing with the cunningness of the gay-debate adversary, but Stan's views that same gender sex acts can only be futile attempts at the real thing is fair and of course accurate.
His science is perfect. Unless of course you can show how mammals are designed to take in sperm via the throat or rectum. And of course same gender "sex" between females is perfectly defined futility.
Two women attempting to copulate can never produce a zygote either.
the solid scientific path that two males cannot really have sexual intercourse.
Every definition of sexual intercourse that I can find includes both oral and anal penetration. The fact that two males or two females can't produce a zygote is no more relevant than the fact that vaginal intercourse where the man has had a vasectomy or the women a hysterectomy, or where a male and female practice oral or anal sex, can't produce a zygote either. The acts still fall under the umbrella of sexual intercourse.A penis penatrating the anus and ejaculating into a rectum cannot be "equated" to sexual intercourse. Two females rubbing each other in many different ways to achieve an orgasm isn't the same thing as sexual intercourse either.
Given that homosexual behavior has been shown to occur in many species it appears to be a very natural thing. I don't think I could ever participate in such a relationship but then again I am repulsed by the thought of eating most seafood as well. I would never claim that eating oysters is unnatural but it is every bit as unwelcome to me as an offer of a same sex relationship. If either happens I simply decline.making of course homosexual behavior driven exclusively by a mind that makes the body do unnatural things.
We came from the same evolutionary past and have inherited many of the same basic instincts. Humans are better able to reason and plan and control those instincts than most "beasts" but that doesn't mean we don't share the same heritage or that we always need to suppress them, especially when acting on them is nobody else's business.You are equating humans to beasts and worms.
Post #1080
The fact is, at least I believe that it is a fact that adulterers do indeed deserve to be stoned to death. But of course, I also realize that I entertain sins of my own; and so because I do not desire to bring upon myself the fury of the wrath of God, I think it best to show compassion and forgiveness when dealing with the sins of others. You see, my dear friend, we don't have to go about giving everyone what they deserve. We can be merciful towards others, even if they deserve no mercy at all.KCKID wrote:You've either missed the point of the question or you're using sarcasm here since adultery was not the obscenity spoken of. That said, the obscenity of adultery is nowhere near the obscenity behind a God who demands the death of an adulterer by stoning. Have you ever seen someone stoned to death? Try YouTube. How Christians can so casually accept this God of cruelty and actually kowtow to Him is beyond me. But, they do casually accept this God of cruelty and actually kowtow to Him.
