The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[Allahakbar]

To her, those alleged Christians who are proud of their licentious behavior where unmarried men and women touch each other in dance are all on the pathway to hell.

You mean the men and women that have spread STD's like a plague and have been the cause of the slaughter of tens of millions of unborn babies? Or those dancers that end up cruising and adulterous as a lifestyle choice? I would have to say that reality has them definately on the pathway to hell.

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DANCING causes the "spread STD's like a plague and have been the cause of the slaughter of tens of millions of unborn babies?"
I think maybe you should look at banning toilet seats as well, cos we all know what they do.
I simply can't believe that a human being living in the 21st century could actually say that.
Now remember, never step on a crack or you will break your mother's back.

[Allahakbar]

There is no such thing as same gender marriage anywhere supported, celebrated, encouraged or condoned in scripture.

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You forgot "nor condemned"

[99percentatheism]

KCKID

Here's a question I should have asked 12 months ago. 99percent ...is homosexuality a salvation issue?

Yes. Unrepentent sin is a salvation issue. promoting and encouraging sin, sinning and sinners is a salvation issue. Though in the unsaved and rejection of the Gospel category.

While heterosexual and homosexual humans sin on a daily basis I don't believe that homosexuality per se is a sin to be repented of. I just don't see how it can be ...no more that heterosexuality per se being a sin. One's sexual orientation being equated to 'a wrongdoing' just doesn't make a lick of sense.

If it does, would you point me to the scripture that tells us this?

Romans 1 Romans 2

While I've addressed and rebutted those particular scriptures a number of times I have to ask you ...is Paul the arbitrator of who is saved and who is not? Sounds a tad blaspemous to me.

You have posted replies. But far from rebuttals I can assure you. And Paul's voice and positions carry far more weight than a liberal theologian in the "gay community" whose positions you can't tell any difference from than a drag-queen in a caberet bar.

Denominations may be like tumors or they may be like healthy parts of the body. As you know, I use Jude frequently for this topic because it is dead-on accurate to todays world and worldview of liberalsim to do so. I visited a huge Church in a major city recently that was not a Catholic Church and the Jude pendants are completely sold out. I am not the only person seeing the signs of the times. One thing about the vitriolic nature of the Says versus Christians issues, it is finally driving people to Church, and, to see what is heading at the Church lke a freight train.

I don't doubt that there are a whole slew of Judgmental Christians who find fault with everyone and everything except themselves and theirs. I persponally, however, have no desire to belong to a church (huge or small) that is bound together in homophobic unity.

Homophobia is a propaganda tactic to bully Christians into silence. Other than that, I have yet to to see an alter call at any Evangelical Church where many congregants do not come forward to repent of this or that. It is never seen as a hate crime for them to do so. yet your gay activist pals think repentance is just that.

The OP is about the incompatibility of gay culture and Christian truth,

Christian=Christ-follower. The only professed Christians I see that are not compatible to 'Christian truth' are the fundamentalists or the Pharisees.

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How utterly amzing that you use judgmentalism to show how bad judgmentalism is.

And the Pharisees were Jews. You know that right?

One more time, Jesus gave no comment about the homosexual but He sure said plenty about the self-righteous. We already know what Jesus would say to you and yours if you hauled a 'practicing' homosexual to Jesus for condemnation, don't we? And yet, you do this on an almost daily basis. Haven't you learned anything from that story yet?

The ONLY thing we know Jesus said about marriage is that it is man and woman/husband and wife.

To force the acceptance and celebration of gay sex into The Church because of what Jesus never said is more than just sickening. It reaches into the supernatural. And not the light side of it.

Jesus never said a word about incest either. You have a better case for that than you do the antithetical nature of gay marriage in The Church. Remember what happened after Sodom and Gomorrah were smoked? So when do you license incest in your gay affirming denominations? That is a fair question for me to ask you. Once anything goes . . . than anything goes. And you have not entered Christian life, you have snuffed it out and reinveted a new style of idoloatry in its place. One where someones "feelings" drive the new theology.

Man that is prophetic in its scope.

but it is at least a civil approach to it.

Not hardly. You desire those that YOU don't like keep as far away as possible so that the 'pious ones' are not contaminated by those that are different in sexual orientation only.

That makes no sense at all. So then it is "unloving" for Christians to ask guys and gals watching porn and masturbating to do that elswhere? Or to ask people into porn to stop? That's hate?

Your theology makes repentance and righteousness a hate crime and "pharisiac judgmentalism.

But, who knows your reasoning behind the OP title ...perhaps there might be some closet gays in your church that could be swayed to 'come out' if the gays are allowed to assimilate with them ...?

Gay is also a neologism. It masks the world of homosexuality. (Well it tries.) Which in its implementation masks same gender sexuality as a sin.

Now the OP makes for those that define themselves purely by their sexual behavior: Gay (same gender sex), Lesbian (same gender sex), Bi-Sexual (sex with anyone), this demand, that their behaviors can find justification in a religious way the same as with anyone else. Same gender sex acts have no place in Christian life PER the witness of the New testament. Your insults directed at me must first be directed at Jesus and the writers of the NT witness.

You feel and assert that the New Testament can be discarded for a new pop culture and yet, somehow a Christian identity can be maintained in the new path.

My position is that that is impossible.

Like Mormons and LDS theology, it is far better off being well defined in its own locations, rather than to mix with the faith delivered only once to the saints.

Oh man ...there are only so many times I can respond to that one.

No there isn't. As you can see, to contend for the faith does not end just because you insult me time and time again. What i like with some of the meetings I've had with Christians from California to the Mid-West, is that we are preparing for jail time. And you and yors will be the people putting us there.

It is the very reason why Justic Scalia used the phrase "Enemy of mankind" about people that will not support LGBT demands.

We've been there before.

Now one thing that is utter fascinating about Jude's expose of the sexually immoral "in the Church," he doesn't seem to indicate to kick them out of it. Just to recognize them and their ways and to avoid them like the plague. Or rather, like an STD or other nasty communicable disease.

Isn't Jude long dead? You fawn all over him as though he's a current standing member of your local church.

You once again prove you have absolutely no clue what Christian life is.

I was just introduced to a different version of the New Testament than I usually employ, by a guy at a Christian book store I visited recently. The following (from Jude of course) is a good take on the issue:

Show mercy toward those who have doubts; save others by snatching them out of the fire; and to others show mercy mixed with fear, but hate their very clothes, stained by their sinful lusts.


By the way, that appears to be directed at people that are already IN The Church.

Would that not be more directed to those that are deluded into believing that they have reached the pinnacle of piety while, in reality, they are no different - perhaps worse - than those they condemn? I don't know, I really don't get too fanatical about the written words of long dead ancient men.

The height of piety is reaxhed when you denmand that you do not sin. Point your judgment pen at your LGBT pals that scream that their sexual behavior is not sin, because they were born to do it.

Remember, the propaganda phrase and neologism "gay" is a very, very, very, recent invention of the licentious crowd.

So is the term 'love child' as invented by licentious crowds of heterosexuals. And, while 'adulterer' has been around thousands of years, that word is never/hardly ever applied to the army of those within the church to whom it applies.

Prove that.

KID, you seem the perfect person to start a gay denom, because you do sometimes offer up some scripture here and there. Go for it and see if your efforts are blessed.

There is no need for a gay denomination. More and more mainstream Churches are accepting of gay people as it is. Stay tuned for a list of such Churches here in Australia.

The wolves destroying the flock. As we can see, you always compare wrongs to try to make a wrong celebrated.

Same old, same old.

What goes before the fall?

For those who have ears let them hear.

[99percentatheism]

More theology and sensible teachings on Christian life:

I left you in Crete, so that you could put in order the things that still needed doing and appoint church elders in every town. Remember my instructions: an elder must be without fault; he must have only one wife, and his children must be believers and not have the reputation of being wild or disobedient.

For since a church leader is in charge of God's work, he should be without fault. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered, or a drunkard or violent or greedy for money. He must be hospitable and love what is good. He must be self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the message which can be trusted and which agrees with the doctrine. In this way he will be able to encourage others with the true teaching and also to show the error of those who are opposed to it.

- Paul to a young Christian named Titus

Crete has an interesting history of being the place where pederasty (pederasty is homosexual) may have been invented. Not homosexuality in general, just a part of its history.

And Paul sent a Christian missionary to Crete.

[Allahakbar]

KCKID
99percent, I'm looking forward to your response regarding Allahakbar's nicely constructed post (above) and my previous question that asked: Is one's sexuality (i.e. homosexuality) a salvation issue?

KID, I'm glad you found another friend.

But his use of the lower case is a common and ubiquitous insult technique used by his kind.

Who is being insulted 99? The god of english grammar? Oh well I guess she'll have to get over it.

[Allahakbar]

More theology and sensible teachings on Christian life:

I left you in Crete, so that you could put in order the things that still needed doing and appoint church elders in every town. Remember my instructions: an elder must be without fault; he must have only one wife, and his children must be believers and not have the reputation of being wild or disobedient.

For since a church leader is in charge of God's work, he should be without fault. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered, or a drunkard or violent or greedy for money. He must be hospitable and love what is good. He must be self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the message which can be trusted and which agrees with the doctrine. In this way he will be able to encourage others with the true teaching and also to show the error of those who are opposed to it.

- Paul to a young Christian named Titus

Crete has an interesting history of being the place where pederasty (pederasty is homosexual) may have been invented. Not homosexuality in general, just a part of its history.

And Paul sent a Christian missionary to Crete.

Human homosexuality has existed for at least 100,000yrs. You need to get out a bit more, maybe

[99percentatheism]

KCKID
99percent, I'm looking forward to your response regarding Allahakbar's nicely constructed post (above) and my previous question that asked: Is one's sexuality (i.e. homosexuality) a salvation issue?

KID, I'm glad you found another friend.

But his use of the lower case is a common and ubiquitous insult technique used by his kind.

Who is being insulted 99? The god of english grammar? Oh well I guess she'll have to get over it.

Interesting that you admit that it is a tactic of insult.

It is so common in you guys.

Now, if you could show why homosexuals shouldn't invent their own religion, or at least if they want to purport to identify as Christians, should have the decency to do it in their own shops.

[99percentatheism]

More theology and sensible teachings on Christian life:

I left you in Crete, so that you could put in order the things that still needed doing and appoint church elders in every town. Remember my instructions: an elder must be without fault; he must have only one wife, and his children must be believers and not have the reputation of being wild or disobedient.

For since a church leader is in charge of God's work, he should be without fault. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered, or a drunkard or violent or greedy for money. He must be hospitable and love what is good. He must be self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the message which can be trusted and which agrees with the doctrine. In this way he will be able to encourage others with the true teaching and also to show the error of those who are opposed to it.

- Paul to a young Christian named Titus

Crete has an interesting history of being the place where pederasty (pederasty is homosexual) may have been invented. Not homosexuality in general, just a part of its history.

And Paul sent a Christian missionary to Crete.

Human homosexuality has existed for at least 100,000yrs.

Have any proof of that?

You need to get out a bit more, maybe

You need to study this thread before taking that position.

And, depravity and debauchery have been around for a very, very, very, long time as well.

Sin is still sin no matter its tenure.

[99percentatheism]

@allahakbar

Have you ever read the New Testament?

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

1 John

Now in liberal and progressive theology and their religions and denominations, it is demanded that homosexual behavior is not a sin.

And maybe Paul wrote something that may come to pass all too soon. As we become more and more threatened and harrassed by the LGBT goals for their dominance of society, including plying their wares and ways into and onto The Church:

Would it not be better for you to be wronged? Would it not be better for you to be robbed? Instead, you yourselves wrong one another and rob one another, even other believers! Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God's Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves—none of these will possess God's Kingdom. Some of you were like that. But you have been purified from sin;

- Paul to Christians in Corinth

But Jesus may indeed have been speaking to the 21st century Church when this was quoted of Him 20 centuries ago:

“A man sowed good seed in his field. One night, when everyone was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away.

When the plants grew and the heads of grain began to form, then the weeds showed up.

The man's servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, it was good seed you sowed in your field; where did the weeds come from?’

‘It was some enemy who did this,’ he answered. ‘Do you want us to go and pull up the weeds?’ they asked him.

‘No,’ he answered, ‘because as you gather the weeds you might pull up some of the wheat along with them. Let the wheat and the weeds both grow together until harvest. Then I will tell the harvest workers to pull up the weeds first, tie them in bundles and burn them, and then to gather in the wheat and put it in my barn.’�

How very accurate a parable can be.

[99percentatheism]

Why the need for a specifically 'Gay Church'? Below is a list of the most recently compiled "Gay Friendly" Churches in Australia.

WELCOMING GAY FRIENDLY CHURCHES IN AUSTRALIA

Integrity Adelaide. Adelaide. Anglican
Ashfield Parish Mission. Ashfield. Uniting Church
Burdekin Uniting Church. Ayr QLD. Uniting Church
Balmain Uniting Church. Balmain. Uniting Church
Blackwood Uniting Church. Blackwood, Adelaide. Uniting Church
Bondi Beach, Chapel By The Sea. Bondi Beach. Uniting Church
St. John’s Anglican Cathedral. Brisbane, QLD. Anglican
MCC Brisbane. Brisbane, QLD. MCC
New Way Community Chapel. Brisbane, QLD. Non-denominational
Brunswick Baptist Church. Brunswick. Baptist
Canberra Baptist Church. Canberra City. Baptist
Canberra City Uniting Church. Canberra City. Uniting Church
Church of the Trinity. Clarence Park. Uniting Church
Community Church of Saint Mark. Clifton Hill. Baptist
St. James’ Congregation. Curtin, Canberra. Uniting Church
Christ Church Anglican Cathedral. Darwin. Anglican
United Ecumenical Catholic Church. Dundas Valley. Ecumenical Catholic Church
Yilki Uniting Church. Encounter bay. Uniting Church
St. Chad’s Anglican Church. Fullarton. Anglican
Glebe Café Church. Glebe. Uniting Church
Gordon Uniting Church. Gordon. Uniting Church
MCC Good Shepherd. Granville. MCC
Homebush Uniting Church. Homebush. Uniting Church
Wayside Chapel Parish Mission. Kings Cross. Uniting Church
St. Ninian’s Congregation. Lyneham. Uniting Church
Integrity Melbourne. Melbourne. Anglican
Ashburton Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Box Hill Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Collins Street Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
East Doncaster Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Footscray Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
St. Kilda Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
MCC Melbourne. Melbourne. MCC
Acts2Faith Fellowship. Melbourne. Non-denominational
Nambucca Heads Uniting Church. Nambucca Heads. Uniting Church
Hamilton Uniting Church. Newcastle. Uniting Church
North Adelaide Baptist Church. North Adelaide. Baptist
Paddington Uniting Church. Paddington. Uniting Church
The Open Door. Penrith. Community of Christ
Randwick Uniting Church. Randwick. Uniting Church
Strathfield Uniting Church. Strathfield. Uniting Church
St. Andrews Anglican Church. Subiaco. Anglican
St. James King Street. Sydney. Anglican
Community of Christ Our Hope. Sydney. Ecumenical Catholic Church of Australia
Crave MCC. Sydney, Paddington. MCC
MCC Sydney. Sydney. MCC
Pitt Street Congregation. Sydney. Uniting Church
South Sydney Uniting Church. Sydney. Uniting Church
Waverley Lugar Brae Uniting Church. Waverley. Uniting Church
Footscray Baptist Church. Victoria, Footscray. Baptist
South Yarra Community Baptist Church. Victoria. South Yarra. Baptist
St. Francis & St. Clare Liberal catholic Mission. Victoria. Liberal Catholic Church
Westgate Baptist Community. Yarraville. Baptist

KID,

You decry and disparage Christianity and Christians, yet you support Christians and Christianity when it suits your agenda.

Why would you want your fellow LGBT's to join Christian Churches? Especially since your version can change at anytime for any whim of any of the members.