Marital Politics

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:27 pm

Marriage rights are a hot political topic these days. Many sexual, religious and political issues are involved and the topic ought to make for a wide-ranging discussion and debate on such life and death issues as reproductive rights, sexual relations, child-rearing, financial obligations and other legal responsibilites, plus a host of other topic-related subjects which any poster may wish to introduce.

The feminist Kate Millet wrote a book several decades ago called "Sexual Politics." Hopefully we may generate enough information, data, personal POV's, opinions and comments in this thread to provide text for a new book called "Marital Politics."

I know that's a tall order, but if we put our minds to it, I know we can do it. Whether any of us would want the book published or whether it gets edited not will not be up to any of us, since everything we post here is already the published property of our generous website host, "Debating Christianity."

To get the first chapter of our book started then, the first question will be;

What rights do men or women have in marriage or to get married at all?

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:52 pm

jcrawford wrote:You sure you don't want us to go into personal details about our marriages and divorces? It's very therapeutic, you know, and couldn't be considered off-topic. Besides, we need at least 300 pages of material on this thread if our dear website host is ever going to publish it as a best seller in book form.

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jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:21 pm

McCulloch wrote:
jcrawford wrote:You sure you don't want us to go into personal details about our marriages and divorces? It's very therapeutic, you know, and couldn't be considered off-topic. Besides, we need at least 300 pages of material on this thread if our dear website host is ever going to publish it as a best seller in book form.

Debate Forum Intro and Rules 12. Do not post personal information about other people (license plate numbers, social security numbers, credit card numbers, phone numbers, etc). Information deemed personal by the moderators will immediately be edited. We will not ask for any personal details. If you are foolish enough to offer your own personal details on this public web site and those details are on-topic, then go ahead.

Excellent rule and advice for those publishing on the Internet or in book form. Very Libertarian and in keeping with the spirit of individual voluntaryism.

Cephus · Post by **Cephus** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:29 pm

jcrawford wrote:Why would you, Cephus or anyone else automatically assume that being divorced makes one a hypocrite, and why wouldn't their presumption automatically qualify them as bigots?

Mostly because marriage is supposed to be a commitment between two people and God *FOREVER*. Not until you get tired of each other, not until you want to go screw someone else, but until the day you die.

If you're not willing to enter into such a commitment, at least from a religious standpoint, then don't get married at all.

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:40 pm

Cephus wrote:
jcrawford wrote:Why would you, Cephus or anyone else automatically assume that being divorced makes one a hypocrite, and why wouldn't their presumption automatically qualify them as bigots?
Mostly because marriage is supposed to be a commitment between two people and God *FOREVER*. Not until you get tired of each other, not until you want to go screw someone else, but until the day you die.

If you're not willing to enter into such a commitment, at least from a religious standpoint, then don't get married at all.

Mmmm. Good advice for Christian men who want to marry each other or choose to freely procreate with their Christian wives "forever."

Cephus · Post by **Cephus** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:54 pm

jcrawford wrote:Mmmm. Good advice for Christian men who want to marry each other or choose to freely procreate with their Christian wives "forever."

Advice that most Christians don't follow. Of course, then they claim that it's gays that are ruining marriage.

Sure, whatever you say.

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:11 pm

Cephus wrote:
jcrawford wrote:Mmmm. Good advice for Christian men who want to marry each other or choose to freely procreate with their Christian wives "forever."
Advice that most Christians don't follow. Of course, then they claim that it's gays that are ruining marriage.

Gays aren't ruining marriage. Secularists are. Besides ruining marriage, Democratic and Republican seccies are slowly ruining, robbing and destroying the whole country. Look at the mess over oil and religion they've got us into now.

Cephus · Post by **Cephus** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:48 pm

jcrawford wrote:Gays aren't ruining marriage. Secularists are. Besides ruining marriage, Democratic and Republican seccies are slowly ruining, robbing and destroying the whole country. Look at the mess over oil and religion they've got us into now.

Ah, because of course these "secularists" are forcing Christians to get divorces, right? Just like your silly claim that abortionists are forcing Christian women to get abortions.

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:50 pm

Cephus wrote:
jcrawford wrote:Gays aren't ruining marriage. Secularists are. Besides ruining marriage, Democratic and Republican seccies are slowly ruining, robbing and destroying the whole country. Look at the mess over oil and religion they've got us into now.
Ah, because of course these "secularists" are forcing Christians to get divorces, right? Just like your silly claim that abortionists are forcing Christian women to get abortions.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything any more other than pay taxes. The seccies are just permitting everyone to ruin, rob, and destroy the country. Hope they don't ever try to force Christian Fathers and Sons to fight Muslims. That would really swell Canada's Islamic population.

Cephus · Post by **Cephus** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:04 pm

jcrawford wrote:No one is forcing anyone to do anything any more other than pay taxes. The seccies are just permitting everyone to ruin, rob, and destroy the country. Hope they don't ever try to force Christian Fathers and Sons to fight Muslims. That would really swell Canada's Islamic population.

Ah, so you're saying that nobody in the military in Iraq right now is a Christian?

You just keep burying youself deeper and deeper.

jcrawford · Post by **jcrawford** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:59 pm

Cephus wrote:
jcrawford wrote:No one is forcing anyone to do anything any more other than pay taxes. The seccies are just permitting everyone to ruin, rob, and destroy the country. Hope they don't ever try to force Christian Fathers and Sons to fight Muslims. That would really swell Canada's Islamic population.
Ah, so you're saying that nobody in the military in Iraq right now is a Christian?

All American servicemen in Iraq are there as secularists in defence of secular, athiest and feminist rights to abort their babies back home with neither their knowledge nor consent. Why any Christian military man or militias would fight for that in Iraq or back home is beyond me.