Using logic and reason to oppose abortion...

[questioner4]

Okay, even though I've been questioning my faith for over a year, I am still firmly pro-life - although I believe 'traditional' pro-lifers go about it the wrong way. I believe thast abortion is wrong, because I oppose discrimination on all grounds. I believe it is being discriminatory to deny basic human rights to the smallest humans, simply because they are still dependant on the mother. It really would be nice to hear people oppose abortion on grounds other than the Bible.

Anyway, what do you guys think? Are you a 'non-traditional pro-lifer'? If you are Christian and pro-life, can you think of any non-Biblical reasons to oppose abortion?

[Cephus]

I'd much rather stay and fight for men's religious and reproductive rights here, thank you. White male abortionists have no right to kill the offspring of married Black Muslims and Christians here and are entitled to financial reparations from white supremacists like mike bloomberg, bill and hill clinton, and eliot spitzer who fight for the right of white male abortionists at the expense of Black Muslim and Christian families.

Apparently they do or you wouldn't have anything to bitch about. But that's all this is about, you like to hear yourself complain, even when you've been proven laughably wrong.

Go crawl back under your bridge, troll.

[jcrawford]

I'd much rather stay and fight for men's religious and reproductive rights here, thank you. White male abortionists have no right to kill the offspring of married Black Muslims and Christians here and are entitled to financial reparations from white supremacists like mike bloomberg, bill and hill clinton, and eliot spitzer who fight for the right of white male abortionists at the expense of Black Muslim and Christian families.

Apparently they do or you wouldn't have anything to bitch about. But that's all this is about, you like to hear yourself complain, even when you've been proven laughably wrong.

Go crawl back under your bridge, troll.

Aw, don't you like Black Muslim, Christian and Jewish fathers or mothers? Matriphobia and patriphobia are even more serious conditions than homophobia.

[Cephus]

Aw, don't you like Black Muslim, Christian and Jewish fathers or mothers? Matriphobia and patriphobia are even more serious conditions than homophobia.

No, we're just trying to figure out this silly fantasy world you live in. Please explain to us how you think anyone but the pregnant woman is choosing to have an abortion. You make it sound like it's a big conspiracy because your woman doesn't think enough of you to even talk to you about her decision.

Maybe it's because you're a rotten scumbag and she doesn't care what you think? Ever think of that one?

Why do you think that secular society and government has any responsibility to enforce your silly religious beliefs? If you can't convince your wife not to have an abortion, if she just ignores you and goes to do it anyhow, then the fault for that lies... wait for it... WITH YOU!

Stop pointing fingers, you're just looking like a loon.

[jcrawford]

Aw, don't you like Black Muslim, Christian and Jewish fathers or mothers? Matriphobia and patriphobia are even more serious conditions than homophobia.

No, we're just trying to figure out this silly fantasy world you live in. Please explain to us how you think anyone but the pregnant woman is choosing to have an abortion.

White male abortionists choose to kill the human fetus within the womb of a pregnant woman, whether her husband likes it or not. White male judicial supremacists choose to give white male abortionists the secular right to kill the offspring of married men without their written consent, whether they are white Christians, Jews or Muslims, or African American Christians, Jews or Muslims. That's called the indiscriminate racial and feminist killing of the offspring of American fathers.

You make it sound like it's a big conspiracy because your woman doesn't think enough of you to even talk to you about her decision. Maybe it's because you're a rotten scumbag and she doesn't care what you think? Ever think of that one?

It's not a personal matter with me, since one of my wives already delivered 3 beautiful children to me and I'm too old to procreate any more. I'm only advocating parental and procreative rights on behalf of all African American men and other Christian, Jewish and Muslim Fathers in America.

Why do you think that secular society and government has any responsibility to enforce your silly religious beliefs?

Secularists in government don't have any more right to discriminate against religious beliefs, religious marriages or religious men than they have to discriminate agianst homosexual marriages.

If you can't convince your wife not to have an abortion, if she just ignores you and goes to do it anyhow, then the fault for that lies... wait for it... WITH YOU!

I told you, my wife doesn't get abortions.

Stop pointing fingers, you're just looking like a loon.

Better to point upright fingers than to sputter and sound like a deflating balloon.

[McCulloch]

White male abortionists choose to kill the human fetus within the womb of a pregnant woman, whether her husband likes it or not. White male judicial supremacists choose to give white male abortionists the secular right to kill the offspring of married men without their written consent, whether they are white Christians, Jews or Muslims, or African American Christians, Jews or Muslims. That's called the indiscriminate racial and feminist killing of the offspring of American fathers.

Sometimes I am very thick and need to have things explained to me very clearly. In this case, I just don't get what race has to do with it.

Abortionists choose to kill the human fetus within the womb of a pregnant woman, whether her husband likes it or not. Judges choose to give abortionists the secular right to kill the offspring of married men without their written consent. That's called the indiscriminate killing of the offspring of American fathers.

• Why single out white male abortionists? Are they worse than female chinese abortionists?
• Why the problem with "white male judicial supremacists"? Why not the judiciary? Are you OK with the female members of the judiciary? Are you OK with the non-white members of the judicaiary?
• The so-called killing of the offspring of American fathers is not racially motivated nor is it indiscriminate.

[jcrawford]

White male abortionists choose to kill the human fetus within the womb of a pregnant woman, whether her husband likes it or not. White male judicial supremacists choose to give white male abortionists the secular right to kill the offspring of married men without their written consent, whether they are white Christians, Jews or Muslims, or African American Christians, Jews or Muslims. That's called the indiscriminate racial and feminist killing of the offspring of American fathers.

Sometimes I am very thick and need to have things explained to me very clearly.

That's understandable since you are a neo-Darwinist in denial of your own Neanderthal ancestry.

In this case, I just don't get what race has to do with it.

http://swissnet.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/nvp/c ... enics.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialRepor ... 0207a.html

http://afgen.com/populat40.html

Why single out white male abortionists?

White male abortionists have no right to kill the fetal offspring of married African American men without their written paternal consent.

Are they worse than female chinese abortionists?

Chinese abortionists in America don't have the right to kill any American babies other than their own without an American husband and wife's consent.

Why the problem with "white male judicial supremacists"? Why not the judiciary?

The "judiciary" consists primarily of white male legal supremacists.

Are you OK with the female members of the judiciary?

Not as long as they deny a man's right to procreate with his wife.

Are you OK with the non-white members of the judicaiary?

Only if they recognize the civil and legal right of African American, Christian and Muslim men to procreate within the confines of CJ&M Holy Matrimony.

The so-called killing of the offspring of American fathers is not racially motivated nor is it indiscriminate.

Refer to the above weblinks for a rebuttal to that statement.
Without procreative marriage rights, African American men are still slaves of white racist and feminist advocates of black abortions, who collectively and corporately owe the African American community over 5 trillion dollars for all the havoc and domestic violence they have perpetrated and committed upon the families of African American men and women during the past 33 year African American abortion holocaust. One trillion dollars in NYS alone.

Since bloody bloomberg only has 4 or 5 billion, we'll have to collect the rest from the state or American corporations.

[Cephus]

White male abortionists choose to kill the human fetus within the womb of a pregnant woman, whether her husband likes it or not. White male judicial supremacists choose to give white male abortionists the secular right to kill the offspring of married men without their written consent, whether they are white Christians, Jews or Muslims, or African American Christians, Jews or Muslims. That's called the indiscriminate racial and feminist killing of the offspring of American fathers.

And white male auto salesmen choose to sell cars to women whether her husband likes it or not. You have a point or are you just trying to look silly?

I know this is a novel concept for you and all, but women don't need your permission to do things. Get used to it.

[Wyvern]

JC I know that with you rational thought is an increasingly dwindling resource but the least you can do is actually read what is written before pasting up your responses. All McCulloch was asking is why you are being discriminatory on a number of subjects and you either were insulting for no reason other than to avoid the subject or you merely rewrote what you have previously written, totally ignoring the original question.

[snappyanswer]

From those for whom Logic was important.

Hippocratic Oath
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The Hippocratic Oath is an oath traditionally taken by physicians pertaining to the ethical practice of medicine. It's widely believed that the oath was written by Hippocrates or one of his students, but recently it has been proposed that the oath was written by Pythagoreans [1]. Although mostly of historical and traditional value, the oath is considered a rite of passage for practioners of medicine.

Traditional text

I swear by Apollo the physician, by sculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath.

"To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and the instruction.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.

Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot."

[McCulloch]

The so-called killing of the offspring of American fathers is not racially motivated nor is it indiscriminate.

Refer to the above weblinks for a rebuttal to that statement.

The Rev. Johnny Hunter bemoans the plight of black Americans who are killing themselves off at an incredible rate.

So blame the abortionists and call them the racists?

Since about one-third of all abortions are performed on black women, the abortion industry has received over $4 billion from the African-American community, he noted.
Childress was particularly critical of Planned Parenthood, not just as the nation's top abortion provider, but also because the organization operates a disproportionately high number of facilities in areas with large minority populations.

A good reason to do away with the US for-profit medical system. Could it be that abortion facilities tend to be in areas where the demand is highest? Ever read about Smith's invisible hand?

the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) has announced that its board voted to take what it calls a "pro-choice" position on the abortion issue. The NAACP's board of directors, at its February 21 meeting, endorsed the principle that "women have the right to equal access to family planning materials, information, and choice when it comes to birth control."

So the NAACP is a white supremist racist organization too?