Vince Sarich is a famous neo-Darwinist. His new book is about the existence of human races.
http://www.curledup.com/racereal.htm
TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION AND DEBATE:
Since Sarich claims that racial features are self-evident, can human races be scientifically distinguished and classified by evolutionists in the same way and to the same extent that human species are?
If not, how are human species recognized and identified by evolutionists?
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Post #51
Wyvern wrote:This post is a mess. Why don't you just quote one statement and respond to it instead of getting things all confused in a neo-Darwinist way?jcrawford wrote:It's not an "old" term. It is a modern term, just as Social Darwinism and Racial Darwinism are modern terms.Wyvern wrote:1. neo-darwinism- the term is nolonger used and instead it is called the modern synthesis but I understand why you still use the old term.
From the link you gave from wikipedia that you stated was your accepted defini8tion they redirected it to one called the modern synthesis since neo-darwinism is no longer used, hence old.
No wonder biological Darwinists don't know what they are talking about any more. They are in racial denial.Race- from your own accepted definition race has been a rejected concept by scientists since the 40's.
They are not in racial denial because in the theory as it is now stated and understood there is no such thing as race, species and subspecies yes but not race
Social, racial and cultural selection have as much to do with biological evolution as genetic mutations, sexual selection and 'natural selection' do.Social- being as the modern synthesis is at heart a biological theory it has next to nothing to do with this subject especially within human populations.
As stated before social, racial and cultural selection are in the purview of a science called sociology not biology, you do understand that there are a number of different sciences don't you?Again I seem to have to restate myself in order for you to understand what I have said earlier race as youhave given the term does not exist in evolution in as such that the genetic differences between any group of humans is insignificant.Don't blame me for the fact that modern biologists have blinded themselves to the racial realities within the human race or a human species. By removing all references to race and racial evolution in their latest theories of human evolution (in order to be 'politically correct'), neo-Darwinists have unwittingly manoevered themselves into the unenviable scientific postition of having a theory which is not applicable to any known human race or racial variation within the current human race and species.
Sorry about the rough look of this post, still getting the hang of using quotes.
Post #52
Probably for the same reason you wont respond to anyones response in a cogent manner. Instead you continually respond by not actually confronting what anyone says instead you merely rely on your typical kneejerk reactions. It hardly matters what format anything is in because you would not respond to it in any kind of way that adds anything
Post #53
Why don't you just respond to the question asked in the OP of the topic instead of making ad hominem excuses for your own incoherence.Wyvern wrote:Probably for the same reason you wont respond to anyones response in a cogent manner. Instead you continually respond by not actually confronting what anyone says instead you merely rely on your typical kneejerk reactions. It hardly matters what format anything is in because you would not respond to it in any kind of way that adds anything
Post #55
Ok I will respond to the original question. Evolutionists as you call them don't have to differentiate between human species since the only one that exists at present is homo sapiens sapiens.
YOU on the other hand(even though you ignore the definitions that you supplied) seem to think that there are multiple human races and species(please tell me how you see the difference since your own accepted definitions do not point to them) running around at present.
I believe that you are simply either confused or ignorant or both. Neither state is bad in and of itself normally confusion can be easily dispelled and ignorance can be corrected with education, however if you are willfully ignorant(such as racists), little can be done for you and you should be ignored.
YOU on the other hand(even though you ignore the definitions that you supplied) seem to think that there are multiple human races and species(please tell me how you see the difference since your own accepted definitions do not point to them) running around at present.
I believe that you are simply either confused or ignorant or both. Neither state is bad in and of itself normally confusion can be easily dispelled and ignorance can be corrected with education, however if you are willfully ignorant(such as racists), little can be done for you and you should be ignored.
Post #56
If not, how are human species recognized and identified by evolutionists?
Racism is a fabricated concept. The truth is, there are different "species", with different traits, but they can all be traced back to one individual life form. We aquire different traits through evolutionary mechanisms, e.g. "Brown" people have ancestors from the equator region, while "white" people generally originated farther away from the equator.
Racism and bigotry are concepts reserved for those indifferent to mind.
