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Hugo Chavez and "Bolivarism"

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Split from the Pat Robertson thread...



He is a public figure making good money with his insane rantings.


And feeding and clothing the poor.
Which is would explain his opposition to Chavez, a man who (*gasp*) uses his country's massive oil profits to support the needy!

Doubling the Venezualan weekly minimum wage?!?! We Christians cannot stand for this abomination!

Put good old Hugo in charge of Pat's profits. Poverty would be abolished overnight.




But seriously, we all know the real reason Robertson despises Chavez. Don't pretend you don't. All that precious oil money could be going to US corporations, who would be further equipted to continue their highly successful plight of screwing over the American people. Don't let his preaching of "moral values" fool you, all any true Right-Winger wants is to further fatten our friendly American corporate overlord's wallets.
So, why don't the Bush Administration and the right-wing extremists and religious fanatics in the U.S. like Hugo Chavez? Venezuela, after all, supplies the U.S. with 12 per cent of its imported oil and sits on top of the eighth largest known oil field in the world.

Oil is the problem not that Venezuela has it, but what Hugo Chavez does with it. Rather than gratuitously fatten the profit margins of the international oil companies, the Venezuelan government under Chavez extracts higher taxes and fees from those companies, and plows that money back into the people of Venezuela. He facilitates the formation of grassroots organizations and worker cooperatives amongst Venezuela's poor.


He has increased the minimum wage from about $25 per week to about $40 per week, and raised personal income taxes up to a rate of 10-15 per cent. He has established food programs to feed the poor and traded oil to Cuba for doctors and teachers who provide free health care to the poor and enhanced educational opportunities. He has used oil wealth to increase public works in order to provide more jobs for Venezuelans.

Imagine, using national resources to improve the national society and raise living standards for the poorest citizens. Imagine increasing access to education, health care and affordable food. It flies in the face of modern, corporate capitalism and the demand for ever lower costs for resources and labour.

And, as far as the U.S. and its corporate sponsors are concerned, it sets a bad example for the rest of Latin America. Imagine if Chavez's programs of redirecting wealth to the people of the countries where it is produced rather than letting it be sucked out by foreign investors should catch on. That is the other part of the problem.

Chavez has named his political and social philosophy Bolivarianism and is pursuing a Bolivarian Revolution, not just for Venezuela but for most of South America. The name comes from that of Simon Bolivar who liberated what are now Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Columbia and Venezuela from Spain in the early 19th Century. In this century Chavez is providing support to populist movements in neighbouring countries, a move clearly designed to spread his Bolivarian philosophy throughout the South American continent.

He is making oil deals with Brazil and Argentina and advocating Latin American military and trade alliances to challenge the power of the U.S. in the region. Venezuela, too, is the major partner in a Latin American satellite television network, Telesur, along with Argentina, Cuba and Uruguay, which will provide a counter point to the messages broadcast to South America by U.S. networks like CNN.

Chavez is plainly becoming a regional leader in an area long dominated by U.S. influence and interference. Like Simon Bolivar before him, who challenged the rule of the Spanish, Chavez has become a challenge in the region to the power of the United States.
As you can see, a truly evil man.
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How about a free press and a real opposition party representative government?

How about not?
The communist position. NO freedom. Plain and simple. Refreshingly honest comrade.
Apparently you are still a bit unclear just who the "opposition party" is. The only opposition Chavez possibly garners (being that his system is a benefit to everyone else) is the wealthy elite, who would love nothing more than to re-claim their oppressive throne.
What about a man or woman that dreams to make something of themselves other than a factory dying on the way to work?
The government is not going to give them that chance.


To be anything than a slave on communist wages.
Kind of like how the US government would never give the Nazi party a chance at power.
But still does not take away their rights to a free press.
Do you see the Kenyan's fufilling their dreams under capitalism? Of course not. Any guess as to why this is?
As a matter of fact I worked side by side with a Kenyan that left Kenya to live the American dream. He is now probably done with med school and into his position working in an American hospital. I'll have to look him up.
Anyone rushing to Kenya?


No. And Kenyans are not on their way to Venezuala either.
Your generalizations just do not work.
No generalizations about communists. History is complete.
Sure, it's easy for any of us to bash socialism, here in our resource inriched economic oasis, where the prospective areas of business are endless.
Free market economy. Free enterprise. Freedom.
But look at it from another nations point of view. What does Venezuela have? Oil. What does Kenya have? A few lions. Very limited opportunities, and only so many people needed to work in each.
You see worthless people that do not need a better life? Every man and woman dreams of American freedoms. Not Venezuelan handouts dictated by a totalitarian communist.
As you can see, what works here will not necissarily work elsewhere. Venezuela and Africa are living examples.


What I see are poor people that would chose America over their own countries anytime.
Capitalism requires capital. Very simple concept.
Really? I am a very average man as is my friends from other countries and we all have before us and endless abilty to get rich or die trying, AND NO ONE tells us what to eat and when and how much.

You just don't see a flood of immigrants to commie countries. It is by far the opposite.
The rich.
Truly attainable in American freedom.
See, they won't be required to sacrifice part of their precious fortune to help poor dying citizens in America. Our country guarantees the freedom to be a selfless bastard.


And many other things as well. You cry freedom for others but want Venezuelans and Africans given a communist government because that is all they are worth. The people would come to America for freedom if they could.
"Sweet laaaaaaand of liiiiiiiiiiiiberty..........."
How many people flood our borders as compared to commie countries?
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You know the label I would apply accurately to you.

"Bobblehead", perhaps? Come on Al, take off your mask.
Communist. But I take it from reading your political point of view, that it is not an offensive label.
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Ignoring cancer though, never is a good thing.

Niether is cutting it out when it does not exist.


Actually the precusor to cancer is just as well cut out. We tell people the dangers of smoking don't we? Why? We know the outcome by accurate history.
The cancer spore you see may just be a group of antibodies ridding the body of a few rich parasites.
No, what I see are commies that have learned not to be so violent at first. Be more like a Christian before wheeling out the gallows.
Remember to take off your "leftist conspiracies are everywhere!" glasses before examining the patient.
You proved my point that leftists are indeed communists. The conspiracies have been proven as legitimate.
Also, when (and if) you do take them off, try not to squint. I know this blocks out the evidence proving your assumption wrong, but remember, it's not about being right, it's about the welfare of the patient.

Russia, Cuba, China, Cambodia all modern examples and all prove I have no assumptions not based on grueling facts to judge communism as evil.
We don't want to falsely diagnose him with cancer, that would allow the rich parasites to continue hoarding all his much needed nutrients and bodily fluids.


Yes he needs his power.
Wow, that was a fun analogy.
Drunk drivers kill people also after the fun is over.

There is no doubt how the latin leftist world will show its corruption when people are disillusioned. Following Castro what else can happen.

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I think the Mexicans and other "oppressed" people are clamouring to come to America because they have bought that "Land of Opportunity" myth that the Media has sold them. I think the immigrants are fools for coming up to America.

To any South American, Central American, or Mexican person who is thinking of coming to America for a better life. Don't Come up to America. You will have a life of squalor in front of you. Education is prohibitively expensive. If you get a 1 room apartment, you will need several roomates to pay the rent with your McDonald or Burger King job.
Unless you join the military and play Russian Roulette with your life, opportunities will be very limited. If you want a better life for you or your family, fix your problems at home.
In commie countries you get a Yugo and squalid one room flat to share with your extended family. Anyone rushing to Cuba?
I suppose the flood of immigrants who have come to America are getting a better living standard with those Burger King jobs. This is why I think they are fools for coming up to America. They just don't know any better.

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There is a reason why Chavez and Castro, as well as the politicians in Washington have to play nice with the people and promise things like healthcare assistance, Social Security, and education benefits: Limits on Power. Most Governments, whether they happen to be Jeffersonian Democracies or not, have to have some support from the people in order to stay in business. John, just because Chavez is a Socialist doesn't mean that he wants to kill every capitalist. But there are limits on his power to prevent him from doing such a despicable act in case he ever wanted to.

America, and some other well known Capitalist countries have had big human rights abuses in their past. Before America became a free country, Great Britain committed various acts of aggression against the colonies, including hiring Hessian merceneries to attack our own saints. Even after winning Independence, America countinued carrying on the slave trade and the war against the Indians for almost another 100 years.
Communist countries aren't the only countries with big human rights problems.

Even in modern times, America has done things like carpet bomb Vietnamese villages and sell weapons to Saddam Hussein during the 1980s to fight the Ayatolla Komeini. After the first Gulf War, the United States left Saddam Hussein in power but enforced the UN Sanctions, contributing to the deaths of at least another half million innocents. America, the "Land of the Free", has definately matched the scale of the "Commie" countries when it comes to killing innocent people.

Right now, I'm in South Korea teaching ESL. For the record, I do not want to come back to America.

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Annyong ha shimnikka.

(Actually, I usually say: annyo ho sayo.)
Right now, I'm in South Korea teaching ESL. For the record, I do not want to come back to America.
I notice your in "South" Korea.

Of course "ESL" could be "Espanol" but I'm betting it's English.

And of course it is not for an economic relationship with Spanish speaking totalitarian commies in Latin-American countries.

Are those South Koreans you rejoice in living around, are they embracing hatred for a free market ecomony? How do you say Kia, Hyundai, LG, and Samsung in Korean or Spanish????

And are those "Christian-Koreans" - and I know there are a lot in the South- rushing to become illegal aliens in NORTH Korea? That is to say: Communist North Korea?

It is absolutely telling that anyone would even try to support and compliment a communist ("Socialist" is just PC for commie). But I do prefer the enemies of the American people be out where we can see them.

Kamsahamnida.

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What is the question for this thread again?

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That a totalitarian communist dictator is a "good guy."

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The communist position. NO freedom. Plain and simple. Refreshingly honest comrade.
Or you could take my statement within context.

I am all for denying free speech to those whose sole agenda is to exploit the common worker. No one should be subject to that.
Apparently you are still a bit unclear just who the "opposition party" is. The only opposition Chavez possibly garners (being that his system is a benefit to everyone else) is the wealthy elite, who would love nothing more than to re-claim their oppressive throne.


What about a man or woman that dreams to make something of themselves other than a factory dying on the way to work?

What about them? They certainly would not be part of the OPPOSITION, if that is what you are saying.
The government is not going to give them that chance.



To be anything than a slave on communist wages.
You mean the $40 a week socialist minimum wages? Did you prefer it when the country was "free" and the minimum wage was $25?
As a matter of fact I worked side by side with a Kenyan that left Kenya to live the American dream. He is now probably done with med school and into his position working in an American hospital. I'll have to look him up.
No. And Kenyans are not on their way to Venezuala either.
You see worthless people that do not need a better life? Every man and woman dreams of American freedoms. Not Venezuelan handouts dictated by a totalitarian communist.
What I see are poor people that would chose America over their own countries anytime.
And many other things as well. You cry freedom for others but want Venezuelans and Africans given a communist government because that is all they are worth. The people would come to America for freedom if they could.
How many people flood our borders as compared to commie countries?
Okay, you are really not getting it. I will try again.


Capital= Material wealth (money, property, resources) used or available for use in the production of more wealth.

Kenyans (I know I keep bringing them up, but just as an example). What do they have? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Absolutely.......... nothing.

Do you understand yet? Nada? Zilch? Nil? Null? Zip? Void?

You know how you are always saying that something can't come from nothing? 1x1=1? Apply that simple concept here. What little they have, is what little they have, and cannot (in the present state of affairs) ever become anything more. Refer to the definition I provided.

According to you, we make them "free", and they will inevitably prosper. "Okay then Africans, be free! Partake in fruits of capitalism! Start your businesses! Live your dreams! Laugh and Sing all the way to stately mansion on the northern Mediterranean!"

You are going to be left with a lot of blank stares. What exports can Africa provide? By what means do they utilize what little resources they have? How do they ship them?

Obviously you have to provide them with some capital to start off with. Via Socialism. The concept is simple: take a little money from a successful enterprise, distribute it to a poorer one. Equal the playing field, then let them run with it. Socialisms may evolve into successful capitalisms (just as has happened with countries such as S. Korea and Tiawan).

Now let's examine Venezuela. They do have one source of income; oil. One fifth of US oil comes from Venezuela, the industry there is massive. HOWEVER, massive as it may be, its wielding requires but a small fraction of the nation's population. So what do you suggest we do with all the extra workers? You can't take them to any money (as no other viable source exists in this particular area of the world), but you CAN bring the money to them. Higher incomes means less money spend feeding your starving family, more money invested in higher opportunities. Of course, you also must create and accomodate those said opportunities, something which Chavez has been more than happy to do. Tens of thousands of new jobs are now available to the (considerably better equipted) average Venezuelan, which is one of the prime factors contributing to the nation's 9% economic increase. That's right, 9%. Argue against this supposedly inevitable future oppression all you want, right now all you are arguing against is undeniable economic prosperity. I bet the Venezuelans would wish you "compassionate" conservatives would quit fussing over them so much. Average joe never dreamed of making this much money in the "free" Venezuela.

Capitalism will not work in Venezuela, nor in any other country of similar resources. If logical evidence is not enough for you, I suggest you take a look at the floundering third-world capitalist economies of countries such as Kenya (where 10% of the workforce harbors 60% of the wealth, I might add).

The best suggestion you have henceforth offered is for every poor person to move to America. I don't suppose I need to delve too far into the irrationality of this sentiment? Funny how the same people using the immigrants argument to further their (failed) capitalist notions are the same ones calling to seal our borders against those evil Mexicans. Always willing to flaunt our abundant resources, but never willing to share them.

For this sole reason, I would also advocate socialism in the US. Not necissarily just nationwide socialism, but GLOBAL socialism. Hey George, you really want to help the world? Because there is a continent just a small stretch of water away from where half your troops are currently stationed that has been crying help for centuries.... or really, pretty much ever since God cast them onto such a miserable hell-eaten plot of crap in the first place. Here's an idea, you "compassionate" conservatives. Send our troops to Africa (Oh, but wait, God forbid they actually do anything useful). Cut Bill Gates' monthly "business meeting" to Malibu, and use that ever-waning petroleum for something more meaningful (like for example, sending supplies to those tsunami victims starving in their decimated streets. Yeah, there was a tsunami, it was like a year ago. Biggest natural disaster in recorded human history. Don't suppose you managed to take time away from managing your stock portfolio to glance at the news?)

3 billion worldwide live in poverty. Meanwhile, you may find 256 billionaires taking residence in these 'free' states of America. Not many people seem to notice this obvious social injustice. But of course, who would when our lives are so consummed by this brigade of homosexual/liberal crusaders who have (supposedly) gathered to invade decent "Bible believing" Christian's homes and phisically force their children to indulge in brutal anal intercourse. No, our time is much better spent focusing on the "important" issues.

Want to convince me that these Right-Wing do-gooders plotting against Hugo mean well? Better lay it on hard, because if reality is any sort of an indication, "tax breaks for the rich" pretty much sums up their political stance.
Communist. But I take it from reading your political point of view, that it is not an offensive label.
Communist. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

An evil theory? Why, because your mommy and daddy told you so? It's not my fault that you choose to associate a noble welfare notion with a few scum who decided to use it's inherent power to achieve (ironically) everything Marx speaks out against. People have done the same with capitalism, by the way.

But then again, I am not even issuing communism. But I don't expect you to notice this anytime soon, as admitting such would null your entire argument's very basis.
Russia, Cuba, China, Cambodia all modern examples and all prove I have no assumptions not based on grueling facts to judge communism as evil.
Of course, the oppression in the mentioned countries is fact.

Likewise, in support of my thesis, I could dwell on the fact that 54 countries are poorer today than they were in 1990 (when communism was officially declared "dead", and capitalism became the internationally recognized sole sustainable model of "success").

I could also dwell on the fact that more children over the age of five are dying in 14 countries, and that enrollment in primary schools is down in another 12.

Then of course, I could sufficiently rest my very case on the fact that in former soviet nations recently taken to capitalism, poverty has trippled.

But I'm not. You see, that would be generalizing. And we never want to do that, right (*hint hint*)?

But alas, I am sure you have all ready discovered the flaw in my UN statistics. They were not judging the standard of living by the wealthy's well-being. The wealthy are all who REALLY matter, afterall.

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That a totalitarian communist dictator is a "good guy."
First of all, you have to seperate the word "totalitarian" from dictator. I don't pretend that Cuba or Venezuela are the worker's paradise that many of Chavez's supporters say it is. The United States is certainly no worker's paradise either. There have been plenty of people in America who have worked hard and failed miserably.

As poor as the socialist economies are, I would prefer living in those poor socialist countries than to live in North Korea or Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Under your blind ideology, every socialist leader is a Josef Stalin waiting to kill everyone. There have been ruthless leaders in the Capitalist system too. There have been ruthless religious leaders in Christianity and Islam who have waged unjust wars in the name of religion.
We can find people doing bad things under every system, but Only God has the authority to judge man's heart.

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Socialism = communism in Latin countries. Let's clear that up.

Capitalism = rich people protecting there wealth.

How many foreigners are running businesses in the US? Lots. How many people run businesses in commie countries? None.


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The communist position. NO freedom. Plain and simple. Refreshingly honest comrade.

Or you could take my statement within context.

I am all for denying free speech to those whose sole agenda is to exploit the common worker. No one should be subject to that.
And I am all for dismantling the US Constitution and outlawing sexual deviants from the class of civil rights. Also, leftisws from walking our streets unbranded. I'm all for denying these people a lot. Spain went socialist/commie and in went freak marriage quickly. The evolution of evolution.

Socialism breeds violence as well. (That's why I would brand and silience these violent communists, as an American.)

It just doesn't get highlighted on State run news. We know all about Russia now; and claiming it was better under communist rule is worthless as there are never going to be stats kept.


Apparently you are still a bit unclear just who the "opposition party" is. The only opposition Chavez possibly garners (being that his system is a benefit to everyone else) is the wealthy elite, who would love nothing more than to re-claim their oppressive throne.


I'd love to see Chavez's breakfast meal. I'll bet it isn't tortilla's and beans every single day.
What about a man or woman that dreams to make something of themselves other than a factory worker dying on the way to work?

What about them? They certainly would not be part of the OPPOSITION, if that is what you are saying.
No just lemmings happy to be fed anything. Sorry but that is why people flood the US, although, the socialists in the Democrat party (redundant) are killing us all thinking socialism will work in a free class of people.

The government is not going to give them that chance.

To be anything than a slave on communist wages.
You mean the $40 a week socialist minimum wages? Did you prefer it when the country was "free" and the minimum wage was $25?
People deserve what they get. I'll bet they are never going to be able to afford a ranchhouse and land on "$40 a week." Just have children that will someday make $41 a week. Whoopee!

Just being alive is all socialists offer the poor. They can flush their aspirations and dreams down their outhouse toilets. Americans would rather die trying to attain wealth, and as seen by how many people WANT to be Americans that is a universal dream.
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As a matter of fact I worked side by side with a Kenyan that left Kenya to live the American dream. He is now probably done with med school and into his position working in an American hospital. I'll have to look him up.

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No. And Kenyans are not on their way to Venezuala either.

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You see worthless people that do not need a better life? Every man and woman dreams of American freedoms. Not Venezuelan handouts dictated by a totalitarian communist.

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What I see are poor people that would chose America over their own countries anytime.

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And many other things as well. You cry freedom for others but want Venezuelans and Africans given a communist government because that is all they are worth. The people would come to America for freedom if they could.
ARE PEOPLE ONLY WORTH $40 DOLLARS A DAY? Answer that question comrade. America will erupt into such civil war that the very earth will shake if socialists someday try this bu----it here. Let lemmings trudge and be led if that is what they want. Once freedom is tasted, a crappy commie sandwhcih will be spit out.
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How many people flood our borders as compared to commie countries?

Okay, you are really not getting it. I will try again.


ANSWER THE QUESTION. Why are people NOT flooding to Chavez paradise???????
Capital= Material wealth (money, property, resources) used or available for use in the production of more wealth.

Kenyans (I know I keep bringing them up, but just as an example). What do they have? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Absolutely.......... nothing.

Do you understand yet? Nada? Zilch? Nil? Null? Zip? Void?


Free market capitalism is what people dream of. Not one person WANTS to live on $40 a week. I have many friends that have emmigrated to the US. Soem even sneaky.
You know how you are always saying that something can't come from nothing? 1x1=1? Apply that simple concept here. What little they have, is what little they have, and cannot (in the present state of affairs) ever become anything more. Refer to the definition I provided.

According to you, we make them "free", and they will inevitably prosper. "Okay then Africans, be free! Partake in fruits of capitalism! Start your businesses! Live your dreams! Laugh and Sing all the way to stately mansion on the northern Mediterranean!"


Iraqi's are prospering. A bomb kills twenty policemen and another five-hundred people line-up to take their place. The problem with American politics is cowards on the Left, that shriek in hysteria when America brings freedom to countries.
You are going to be left with a lot of blank stares. What exports can Africa provide? By what means do they utilize what little resources they have? How do they ship them?


We teach them the American way without leftist interference. My African friends love America like I wish I could.
Obviously you have to provide them with some capital to start off with.
Get Democrats out of the way and this could happen. Cowards do not build nations, neither free or communist.
Via Socialism.
Via loans from capitalist banks. Handouts runout.

The concept is simple. It also sponsers freedom. The bad word to a commie.
The concept is simple: take a little money from a successful enterprise, distribute it to a poorer one. Equal the playing field, then let them run with it. Socialisms may evolve into successful capitalisms (just as has happened with countries such as S. Korea and Tiawan).
In am not in college anymore. Socialist propaganda does not work anymore. You take money from capitalists banks and LOAN it to people that want to run their OWN LIVES.
Now let's examine Venezuela. They do have one source of income; oil. One fifth of US oil comes from Venezuela, the industry there is massive. HOWEVER, massive as it may be, its wielding requires but a small fraction of the nation's population. So what do you suggest we do with all the extra workers? You can't take them to any money (as no other viable source exists in this particular area of the world), but you CAN bring the money to them.
In the form of loans and let them build their own businesses. Freedom!
Higher incomes means less money spend feeding your starving family, more money invested in higher opportunities.
Why would anyone be motivated in a socialist (commie) country? To give 60% of their income to people that do not want to do anything to better their lives than to just be born?
Of course, you also must create and accomodate those said opportunities, something which Chavez has been more than happy to do. Tens of thousands of new jobs are now available to the (considerably better equipted) average Venezuelan, which is one of the prime factors contributing to the nation's 9% economic increase.
Wake up! The "countries" economic rise has nothing to do with "peoples" ability to rise above the herd. FREEDOM!
That's right, 9%. Argue against this supposedly inevitable future oppression all you want, right now all you are arguing against is undeniable economic prosperity.
And Venezuela is stregthening its Army/military!!! WHAT A SURPRISE.
I bet the Venezuelans would wish you "compassionate" conservatives would quit fussing over them so much. Average joe never dreamed of making this much money in the "free" Venezuela.


"$40 dollars a week? Look at what you are saying man???? They are being sold into slavery.
Capitalism will not work in Venezuela, nor in any other country of similar resources.
You just presented facts that Venezuale is a filthy rich oil country. AND it is. Why aren't the people provided money to build their own wealth?????
Hello?
If logical evidence is not enough for you, I suggest you take a look at the floundering third-world capitalist economies of countries such as Kenya (where 10% of the workforce harbors 60% of the wealth, I might add).
Kenyan's need to fight for freedoms. But. alas the come to capitalist America every chance they get.
The best suggestion you have henceforth offered is for every poor person to move to America.
Actually not. I am wanting them to have the opportunity we have here, where they come from. Socialsm (communism) sickens a nation's people. They flee to a healthier country any chance they get.
I don't suppose I need to delve too far into the irrationality of this sentiment? Funny how the same people using the immigrants argument to further their (failed) capitalist notions are the same ones calling to seal our borders against those evil Mexicans. Always willing to flaunt our abundant resources, but never willing to share them.


Share them with whom comrade? People that refuse to speak english, refuse to obey the law and refuse to assimliate? Study the fall of the Roman Empire and see what is going to happen to America. California is a dying civilization because of socialist-Democrats.
For this sole reason, I would also advocate socialism in the US.
You had better have a lot of friends with a lotta guns. Americans will not be raped and killed easily.
Not necissarily just nationwide socialism, but GLOBAL socialism.
So Christians are not paranoid. THIS IS what you leftists want. I know it of course because the Bible is truth, but it is nice to see this darkness pop into the light once in awhile.

Your Global mark . . . forehead or hand?

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Commies are nice people too:
PART TWO.
Hey George, you really want to help the world? Because there is a continent just a small stretch of water away from where half your troops are currently stationed that has been crying help for centuries.... or really, pretty much ever since God cast them onto such a miserable hell-eaten plot of crap in the first place.
The free would leave for America in one second.
Here's an idea, you "compassionate" conservatives. Send our troops to Africa (Oh, but wait, God forbid they actually do anything useful).
Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out? Is that what you mean?
Cut Bill Gates' monthly "business meeting" to Malibu, and use that ever-waning petroleum for something more meaningful (like for example, sending supplies to those tsunami victims starving in their decimated streets.
Bill Gates is what everyone wants to be.

A loaf of bread and a slab of pork is what people want in socialist (commie) countries.

Give me liberty or give me death. Try taking away liberty from Americans and there is going to be death like no pitiful little latin leftist could comprehend.
Yeah, there was a tsunami, it was like a year ago. Biggest natural disaster in recorded human history.
Is that the one Christians sent money and people to help with? Then of course those Christians were threatened by Muslims.
Don't suppose you managed to take time away from managing your stock portfolio to glance at the news?)
I am a VERY middle class American and I am totally afraid of leftists and Democrats. I come very close to loathing them. I work hard and see my money going to worthless democrat/leftist causes.
3 billion worldwide live in poverty.


AND ONLY Venezuelan poor want to live in Venezuela, because they know there is no way out now. But I'll bet those 3 billion would leave for the States in one second.
Meanwhile, you may find 256 billionaires taking residence in these 'free' states of America.
The rich pay more taxes than anyone else.
Not many people seem to notice this obvious social injustice.
Freedom comes with a price. Yet, everyone WANTS TO BE RICH.
But of course, who would when our lives are so consummed by this brigade of homosexual/liberal crusaders who have (supposedly) gathered to invade decent "Bible believing" Christian's homes and phisically force their children to indulge in brutal anal intercourse.


Spain went socialism and same-sex marriage in the same stroke of the pen. The evolution of evolution.
No, our time is much better spent focusing on the "important" issues.
Parents do not want their children sodomized. It is definately a priority on a good parants list of things to protect their childre from.
Want to convince me that these Right-Wing do-gooders plotting against Hugo mean well?
We'll never know because Chavez, like all totalitarian-dictator-commies, will not allow a free press.
Better lay it on hard, because if reality is any sort of an indication, "tax breaks for the rich" pretty much sums up their political stance.


I want tax breaks for me pal. As well as anyone else's money. Taxes should pay for roads and hospitals and not crack whores to have babies.
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Communist. But I take it from reading your political point of view, that it is not an offensive label.

Communist. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

An evil theory? Why, because your mommy and daddy told you so?
Yes my mommy and daddy had me study real history in school. I survived the onslaught of socialist liars in college that wanted me to see Lenin and Stalin and Pol Pot et al, as aberrations. Like I said, they were liars.
It's not my fault that you choose to associate a noble welfare notion with a few scum who decided to use it's inherent power to achieve (ironically) everything Marx speaks out against.
A few????? And Marx was an idiot. The opiate of the people IS OPIUM and sex slave trade. Drugs and sex slavery proliferated in Communist Russia.
People have done the same with capitalism, by the way.


Oh yeah, another thing Marx was too stupid to realize POWER is the opiate of the communist leader. Man, I'm ready for civil war if Marxists bring that sh-- to my country.
But then again, I am not even issuing communism. But I don't expect you to notice this anytime soon, as admitting such would null your entire argument's very basis.
There is no difference in socialism and communism. When dictators take over Marx is proven the idiot that he truly was.

I bolded that so you can quote me.
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Russia, Cuba, China, Cambodia all modern examples and all prove I have no assumptions not based on grueling facts to judge communism as evil.

Of course, the oppression in the mentioned countries is fact.
Likewise, in support of my thesis, I could dwell on the fact that 54 countries are poorer today than they were in 1990 (when communism was officially declared "dead", and capitalism became the internationally recognized sole sustainable model of "success").
There are BILLIONS more people now pal. Peddle this sophomore college propaganda to someone else.
I could also dwell on the fact that more children over the age of five are dying in 14 countries, and that enrollment in primary schools is down in another 12.


AND in America? This happens in poor familes with "hand-out" mentalities. Waiting for a political saviour is not smart.
Then of course, I could sufficiently rest my very case on the fact that in former soviet nations recently taken to capitalism, poverty has trippled.
The free press has tripled. Your commie propaganda is useless on me. We will never know what happened "behind the iron curtain." Also, these people have the hand-out mentality and need to be shown a free market freedom.
But I'm not. You see, that would be generalizing. And we never want to do that, right (*hint hint*)?


Communism IS gneralizing. THAT IS its defintion comrade. People yearn to be free. They need to be shown the way. Chavez is nothing new on the worlds stage. He will follow the evolution of all dictators.
But alas, I am sure you have all ready discovered the flaw in my UN statistics.


"UN STATISTICS?" Is there any hope for a communist mind?
They were not judging the standard of living by the wealthy's well-being. The wealthy are all who REALLY matter, afterall.
YES, the wealthy that OWN the machines and companies that employ the world's workforce.

Turn these things over to despots and field workers turned president, and you get nothing but a downward slide to violence. Cuba anyone?

Marxism defined by facts.

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